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[-] fire86743@lemmygrad.ml 33 points 1 year ago

Article says that liberal Democrats are the most supportive of giving more funding to Ukraine.

Pink imperialism, I see.

[-] WaterBowlSlime@lemmygrad.ml 28 points 1 year ago

Most Americans oppose everything Congress does but that doesn't stop it

[-] Justice@lemmygrad.ml 21 points 1 year ago

Maybe we should sanction America so Americans will rise up and demand their government changes… I mean, that’s how it works, right? Surely Putin will be murdered by angry, starving Russians any day now

[-] WaterBowlSlime@lemmygrad.ml 14 points 1 year ago

If Americans held themselves to the same standards by which they judge other countries, then they'd have couped themselves several hundred times by now.

[-] IntoDaLagoon@lemmygrad.ml 24 points 1 year ago

I think it's pretty safe to say the 180° heel turn has arrived

[-] CollisionResistance@lemm.ee 16 points 1 year ago

On to the next grift then

[-] MarxMadness@lemmygrad.ml 21 points 1 year ago

A bigger worry across partisan lines in the new poll is that the war will continue without a resolution for a long time. Nearly 8 in 10 are worried about that, including 82% of Democrats, 75% of independents and 73% of Republicans.

The best anti-war line to take is "this stalemate will go on indefinitely, either it ends in a ceasefire and negotiated peace now or after countless more people die." Most Americans already agree with the first half, and the last half follows logically. It also brings out the neolib psychos who talk about the ROI of marching Ukrainians into artillery fire.

Obviously you can oppose the war (especially the NATO role in it) for a hundred reasons, but we already have an in with this one.

[-] monobot@lemmy.ml 8 points 1 year ago

When any mention of peace makes you a Putinist, obvious thing is they are out for blood.

Reality is war will go on as long as people are making profit. Even those 80% are aware of it and respond accordingly they don't like the war, but reality is they support it and you can see it in their politics, elections but also just talking with them.

[-] yogthos@lemmygrad.ml 18 points 1 year ago
[-] yogthos@lemmygrad.ml 16 points 1 year ago

libs on lemmy.ml are brigading and downvoting 😂 https://lemmy.ml/post/2808871

[-] o_d@lemmygrad.ml 16 points 1 year ago

The irony of libs commenting " fuck CNN".

[-] yogthos@lemmygrad.ml 16 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago)

I love how they all got trained up to scream Russian propaganda when faced with anything that goes against the war narrative, and now they're at the point where they're rejecting what their own propaganda outlets say. We live in amazing times.

[-] su25@lemmygrad.ml 15 points 1 year ago

wow, i had no idea the majority of americans were ruzzian kremlin hired operatives

[-] Mzuark@lemmygrad.ml 5 points 1 year ago

I'm genuinely surprised that we haven't heard Zelensky or some other Ukrainian big wig insult all the Americans who don't want to contribute yet. That's what I thought was going to cause support to erode.

[-] Shrike502@lemmygrad.ml 3 points 1 year ago

Guess they know better than to bite the feeding hand

[-] PoY@lemmygrad.ml 14 points 1 year ago

This is just a dogwhistle to Zelensky to let him know his time is running out, nothing more.

[-] Mzuark@lemmygrad.ml 13 points 1 year ago

Oh yeah, that's why they aren't asking us. They just send these aid packages over there willg nilly. Even Pro-Ukraine people are sick of this.

[-] 201dberg@lemmygrad.ml 12 points 1 year ago

I have only met one person IRL that cared about the war in any real way other than indifference and they had gobbled up the "Russia bad" narrative. I then proceeded to shit on every argument they had till they just stopped talking and changed the subject because they have no actual rebuttal.

[-] monobot@lemmy.ml 10 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago)

US aid for Ukraine

Isn't it loan and Ukraine is in huge debt right now? Calling it "aid" is understandable for mass media, but in reality it is just a bank loan.

[-] Shrike502@lemmygrad.ml 8 points 1 year ago

Indeed, which is one of the reasons Ukrainian government had begun mass privatisation

[-] DankZedong@lemmygrad.ml 10 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago)

I think in the year and a half this has been going on, I am yet to find more than one person IRL who actually cares. Most people don't go any further than a 'yeah, Ukraine' comment. But how could you care when your own groceries have increased 40-50% in price and you can't afford to warm your house.

[-] Shrike502@lemmygrad.ml 7 points 1 year ago

How many of those polled support war with China instead?

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