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[-] MudMan@fedia.io 26 points 3 months ago

Ah, here we go. The natural enemy of the leftist: the other leftist that isn't lefting right.

[-] Zehzin@lemmy.world 5 points 3 months ago

If you're a leftist and you support Israel, no you're not.

[-] MudMan@fedia.io 5 points 3 months ago* (last edited 3 months ago)

Also if you support surrogate pregnancy, don't support surrogate pregnancy, support public ownership media, don't support public ownership media, support sex work, don't support sex work, support UBI, don't support UBI or pretty much any other bit of policy.

Every leftist is Schrödinger's leftist, constantly in a superposition of true leftism and false leftism until they interact with another leftist, at which point they collapse into a false leftist every time.

And then a conservative wins the next election so they can dismantle any leftist policy that has been accidentally introduced and the cycle can start all over again. Nature is a beautiful mystery, really.

[-] archomrade@midwest.social 4 points 3 months ago

Sure but some quantum particles are more stable than others.

Not supporting a neocolonial ethnostate is, to my estimation, a pretty consistent leftist superposition. Maybe the most stable one? Idk it's pretty high up there

[-] MudMan@fedia.io 1 points 3 months ago

This post really rounds out this metaphor, because it's just as infuriating to people who understand the self-defeating nature of leftist purity checks and to quantum physicists pretty much for the same reasons.

[-] Cosmicomical@lemmy.world 3 points 3 months ago

If you vote for trump you definitely support israel a great deal more than by voting biden

[-] rektdeckard@lemmy.world 0 points 3 months ago

If you think you're a leftist and that the world is black and white, you're not a leftist

[-] Cosmicomical@lemmy.world 3 points 3 months ago

Don't be misled, these are not leftists. It's obvious propaganda from the conservatives, even though maybe some actual leftist drank the kool aid

[-] MudMan@fedia.io 1 points 3 months ago* (last edited 3 months ago)

Speaking of superpositions, this exists in the same space as flat earthers in that there's almost certainly some blend of genuine arguments and trolling but it's impossible to probe which is which.

But all joking aside, the overall point about leftists being susceptible to fratricidal, self-defeating infighting is absolutely genuine, and whatever amount of trolling and hostile propaganda is involved is certainly built on that assumption. If there is something to be learned from this nonsense is that this is a vulnerability and we should be consistently unified about acquiring, supporting and maintaining any remotely left-leaning and/or least right-leaning candidate available in every elected position at every level of democratic governance worldwide as a unified front to make that narrative go away.

[-] Cosmicomical@lemmy.world 2 points 3 months ago

The problem with having ideals is that it's difficult to accept you have to stop somewhere. Especially younger people have certainly good intentions, but lack of pragmatism can make it difficult o accept a temporary compromise even when the alternative is a long term catastrophe. But in this case the comparison is between Biden not doing enough against israel and Trump actively supporting it. There is nothing to discuss really. On any other topic Trump is just a plain nazist.

[-] whoreticulture@lemmy.blahaj.zone -1 points 3 months ago

Do you ... do you think Joe Biden is a leftist

[-] MudMan@fedia.io 5 points 3 months ago

Nobody is a leftist, see above.

[-] whoreticulture@lemmy.blahaj.zone -2 points 3 months ago

If politics is confusing to you just say that

[-] MudMan@fedia.io 7 points 3 months ago

If politics isn't confusing you you don't understand politics, I'll say that.

[-] archomrade@midwest.social 1 points 3 months ago

OK, nice one

[-] PugJesus@lemmy.world 19 points 3 months ago

Supporting genocide is just too popular

Well, maybe instead of demanding a candidate to take a losing position and get literally nothing you support, you should work to, I don't know, make supporting genocide less popular in the electorate?

Nah, better to do everything you can to sink the less evil of the two candidates. The greater evil will be fine, I'm sure.

[-] Ensign_Crab@lemmy.world 1 points 3 months ago

Biden is taking the losing position on genocide already.

[-] bobburger@fedia.io 7 points 3 months ago

Damn Genociden Biden© doin the damn Genocide™ in a country that he isn't the president of! International politics is a simple and uncomplicated thing and Genociden Biden© could surely stop the Genocide™ by asking Netanyahu nicely to be nice. Netanyahu already said they'd pull out of Gaza if he got a nicely worded letter, why doesn't Genociden Biden© just do it?

[-] archomrade@midwest.social 0 points 3 months ago

International politics is a simple and uncomplicated thing

Idk why you all keep walking into the accusations right on the top line in the memes

[-] Ensign_Crab@lemmy.world -4 points 3 months ago

Nothing is forcing him to sell your single favorite person weapons for your single favorite activity.

Noting is forcing his administration to go to bat for Netantahu at the UN.

Stop pretending he's powerless just because you're happy that he's using what power he has to enable genocide.

[-] bobburger@fedia.io 2 points 3 months ago

Lol what a stupid comment.

Stop pretending you understand how foreign policy and appropriations work, you clearly have no idea.

[-] Ensign_Crab@lemmy.world -2 points 3 months ago

You can't defend Biden's support for genocide, so you employ gaslighting and abuse instead.

[-] bobburger@fedia.io 6 points 3 months ago

You seem to think the genocide started right after October 7th so you make vapid comments about Biden supporting genocide and use it to justify aggressively working to get Trump elected president.

Instead of acknowledging that international relations are really really hard, that every American president since Israel became a country has supported the genocide of Palestinians (including your boy Trump) and your lack of understanding around the issues you make inane comments trying to make paint Joe Biden as a omnipotent dictator that has unlimited power to control every other country on earth. I also find it interesting you spend a lot of time trying to suppress the vote for Biden in order to get Trump elected because you care oh so much about genocide, but you never use your soap box for divestment from China to stop the genocide of the Uyghurs. I'm sure that's just a coincidence though.

You also don't seem to understand what gaslighting is, which I guess is another trendy buzz word your picked up and decided to work into your vocabulary.

[-] Ensign_Crab@lemmy.world -2 points 3 months ago* (last edited 3 months ago)

justify aggressively working to get Trump elected president.

Genocide supporters interpret all opposition to their single favorite activity to be support for Trump.

Instead of acknowledging that international relations are really really hard,

And more gaslighting. "We have to support genocide like I want because it's too complicated for you to understand. It's not unconscionable. It's advanced."

that every American president since Israel became a country has supported the genocide of Palestinians

"That's the way we've always done it" is a shitty excuse for supporting genocide. And I would like you to provide a source for Jimmy Carter supporting the genocide of Palestinians.

and your lack of understanding around the issues you make inane comments trying to make paint Joe Biden as a omnipotent dictator that has unlimited power to control every other country on earth.

I didn't say that. I said he's supporting genocide. I already explained what he can do to stop supporting genocide. It was such blasphemy to you that you launched into what I correctly identified as gaslighting and abuse.

but you never use your soap box for divestment from China to stop the genocide of the Uyghurs. I’m sure that’s just a coincidence though.

We're not selling Xi weapons for genocide, nor are we running interference for him at the UN. I think we should divest from China and should be more outspoken regarding their long history of human rights abuses. But this thread is about the genocide in Gaza. Take your whataboutism elsewhere.

You also don’t seem to understand what gaslighting is

Ooh. Recursion.

[-] archomrade@midwest.social -2 points 3 months ago

Instead of acknowledging that international relations are really really hard,

I don't think the neocolonialism or the genocide parts of it are hard, and I think most people would agree I'm not that smart

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[-] stanleytweedle@lemmy.world 8 points 3 months ago* (last edited 3 months ago)

"Support" is such a stupid and meaningless term in politics.

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