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The Royal Canadian Navy now finds itself in the unusual position of both shadowing Russian warships as a threat in the Caribbean and sharing an anchorage with them as a guest in the port of Havana — because Canada accepted an invitation to send a patrol ship to Cuba while the Russian navy is in town.

And it's not clear just who in government or the military knew about the invitation from Cuba. The Caribbean nation has been a full-throated supporter of Russian President Vladimir Putin's war on Ukraine and Cubans have been fighting alongside Russian soldiers in that country.

A spokesperson for the Department of National Defence (DND) told CBC News on Friday that the department was aware the Russians would be in Havana port on the same days as the Canadians.

But when asked about the visit on CBC's Power and Politics on Thursday evening, Foreign Affairs Minister Mélanie Joly told host David Cochrane she knew nothing about it.

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[–] lolcatnip@reddthat.com 16 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (4 children)

I didn't know Cuba was actively supporting Russia. I just changed my position from "end the US embargo" to "everyone else should join the embargo". Supporting Russia is supporting genocide.

[–] catloaf@lemm.ee 21 points 1 year ago (3 children)

The embargo is the reason they're still so friendly with Russia. Ending the embargo would be a massive step towards friendly relations with the US and less with Russia.

The funniest part is Cubans have better medical care than the American working class, including completely novel vaccines that have existed for decades that America doesn’t let its citizens have lmao

[–] afraid_of_zombies@lemmy.world -3 points 1 year ago

Ok? Tell the Cubans in Florida that.

[–] lolcatnip@reddthat.com -3 points 1 year ago

If we could end the embargo in exchange to them telling Putin to get fucked, I'd be all for it, but I don't think there's enough trust on either side for that to work right now.

[–] cygnus@lemmy.ca 18 points 1 year ago (1 children)

I didn’t know Cuba was actively supporting Russia.

Cuba has been staunchly aligned with Russia for like 70 years. That was the major reason for the US embargo in the first place.

[–] grue@lemmy.world 3 points 1 year ago (1 children)

Yeah, but before 2014 that wasn't a good reason to embargo them.

[–] credo@lemmy.world -3 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (1 children)

Really?

Cuba has long had good relations with Russia. It was a key ally to the former Soviet Union during the Cold War that briefly hosted nuclear missiles at Moscow’s behest during the 1962 Cuban Missile Crisis.

https://www.cnn.com/2024/06/12/americas/russian-navy-cuba-intl/index.html

Also..

Again on October 19, 1960, almost two years after the Cuban Revolution had led to the deposition of the Batista regime, the U.S. placed an embargo on exports to Cuba except for food and medicine after Cuba nationalized the US-owned Cuban oil refineries without compensation. On February 7, 1962, the embargo was extended to include almost all exports.

I would argue the original reasoning was very valid. Helps to know the history though, I guess.

[–] grue@lemmy.world -1 points 1 year ago (1 children)

Embargoing countries because they're aggressors in war of territorial expansion is valid.

Embargoing countries just because they're communist is not valid.

Let me know if there's something you still fail to understand about it.

[–] credo@lemmy.world 0 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (1 children)

I already provided the reasoning. Where does it say, “because they’re communist”?

(Let me know if you have a processing deficiency)

[–] NoneOfUrBusiness@fedia.io 16 points 1 year ago (1 children)

I mean doesn't help when everyone else is embargoing them.

[–] FlyingSquid@lemmy.world 9 points 1 year ago (1 children)

Hardly everyone. In fact, as far as I know, just the U.S.

I have British and Canadian relatives that have been to Cuban resorts.

[–] NoneOfUrBusiness@fedia.io 1 points 1 year ago

Oh I mixed Cuba up with another country nevermind.

[–] fuckingkangaroos@lemm.ee 4 points 1 year ago

Yeah, I had a much more positive view of Cuba before reading that.

[–] autotldr@lemmings.world 2 points 1 year ago

This is the best summary I could come up with:


And yet, on Friday Canada's Harry DeWolf-class offshore patrol vessel HMCS Margaret Brooke sailed into Havana as a guest of the Revolutionary Armed Forces of Cuba, just hours after the Russian flotilla docked in the same harbour.

Three days later, the frigate HMCS Fredericton set sail for Havana for a visit then-defence minister Harjit Sajjan said would celebrate the "strong, positive and productive relationship" between Cuba and Canada.

"Amidst global insecurity, Canada believes in pragmatic diplomacy to engage countries of different perspectives while we continue to uphold our values and interests and defend the international rules-based order," he told CBC News.

The friendly visit sends a confusing message about Canada's allegiances, said Russian political scientist Vladimir Rouvinski, director of the CIES Research Center at Icesi University, Colombia and an expert on Russia's presence in the Western hemisphere.

"The Canadian Armed Forces will continue to track the movements and activities of the Russian naval flotilla" after it departs Havana, Kened Sadiku of DND told CBC News.

"In the minds of the Cuban elite, Canada is not a friend, it's a country that they can — I don't want to use the word manipulate, but they can kind of dance around and make them act in ways that would not align totally with the main enemy, which obviously is the United States," he said.


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