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submitted 1 week ago by Dop@lemmy.world to c/privacy@lemmy.ml

Hi,

A friend wants to degoogle his phone, so I suggested the OS I'm currently using. The one we can't talk about... He wants a small/compact phone, so I suggested pixel 4a (not buying second hand though), but I'm afraid that planned obsolescence may kill the phone rather soon. What's your opinion?

Cheers and thank you for your help,

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[-] Ilandar@aussie.zone 47 points 1 week ago* (last edited 1 week ago)

Yes, that is too old for a new phone considering it's already past its end-of-life for both official support and your OS. I'm not sure why you'd recommend them to buy new either - a phone like that is only going to be good value if you pick up a used one for cheap. A new model will be massively overpriced for what it is (and may not even be new, just refurbished and repackaged).

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[-] Tywele@lemmy.dbzer0.com 23 points 1 week ago

What's the OS we can't talk about?

[-] rickyrigatoni@lemm.ee 36 points 1 week ago
[-] delirious_owl@discuss.online 13 points 1 week ago

We don't talk about Hannah Montana Android.

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[-] Grippler@feddit.dk 24 points 1 week ago* (last edited 1 week ago)

To be more helpful than the joke comments you've received so far, it's graphene OS that's causing a lot of controversy.

[-] just_another_person@lemmy.world 22 points 1 week ago
[-] lemmyvore@feddit.nl 5 points 1 week ago

They claim their security measures are better then other custom ROMs.

[-] just_another_person@lemmy.world 7 points 1 week ago

Don't they all make that claim?

[-] FutileRecipe@lemmy.world 5 points 1 week ago* (last edited 1 week ago)

Do they all really? I know GrapheneOS does, and I think DivestOS even says "use my OS to stay as up to date as possible, but if you have a current/supported Pixel, use GrapheneOS instead for superior security." But I don't recall other OSes really going "we're more secure than GrapheneOS and here's why."

[-] lemmyvore@feddit.nl 4 points 1 week ago

Hence the controversy! 🙂

Also, Graphene tend to act superior about it and it pisses people off.

[-] TwinTusks@bitforged.space 9 points 1 week ago

That doesnt sound like a controversy, its bascially "btw, I use arch"

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[-] Certainly_No_Brit@discuss.tchncs.de 20 points 1 week ago* (last edited 1 week ago)

The Google Pixel 4a is officially end-of-life and doesn't get any software and security updates anymore (https://endoflife.date/pixel).

[-] scrooge101@lemmy.ml 4 points 1 week ago* (last edited 1 week ago)

CalyxOS still provides extended support for Pixel 4a until August 2024.

[-] mnmalst@lemmy.zip 9 points 1 week ago

FYI: "Extended support" from a custom rom means the OS level software gets updated, not the device firmware. So you still end up with a not fully up to date phone.

Written from my Pxiel 4a. :)

[-] Titou@sh.itjust.works 15 points 1 week ago

The one we can't talk about...

I don't get it ? Why can't we say it's name ?

[-] StormWalker@lemmy.zip 1 points 6 days ago

Because GrapheneOS is a debatable triggering subject for some people. Basically the OS itself is amazing and very good. But the project leader is apparently arrogant and offensive. And offended a load of big known online personalities. Apparently he says his OS is the best and better then everyone else etc etc. So the question is: do you use and support a project where the product itself is amazing and just what the world needs, but where the project leader is offensive? Some say yes, some say no. = Controversial subject.

Personally I use GrapheneOS because I need a good camera and I like having a flagship modern phone. Currently I'm using a Pixel 7 Pro. I also like the privacy and security features that graphene offer. I don't see another project out there that can offer me the same. The product is good.

[-] Titou@sh.itjust.works 1 points 6 days ago

But the project leader is apparently arrogant and offensive.

"apparently"

[-] StormWalker@lemmy.zip 2 points 4 days ago

Well yes exactly. It's all just big personalities online that say that these things happened. Who knows really what the guy is like. A few big names online say these things about him, but I personally have never had any Interaction with him. So it could all be true, or partly true, or not at all. I guess no smoke without fire.. but there is always 2 sides to every story.

[-] foremanguy92_@lemmy.ml 13 points 1 week ago

I think it's a bit too old, if you want to stay in the pixel ecosystem maybe try to grab a 6, 6a or 6 pro. They are around $250, and they are great!

[-] qaz@lemmy.world 4 points 1 week ago

I recently got a 6a to replace my iPhone SE for €160 and it's been working great.

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[-] cradac@feddit.de 11 points 1 week ago

I'm using a 4a right now which I bought last year, refurbished. It's a great phone and has a headphone jack. If you're concerend about updates, install an alternative OS. If you want to degoogle that should be the path anyway.

[-] ben_dover@lemmy.ml 10 points 1 week ago* (last edited 1 week ago)

4a is end of life already, so no firmware updates from Google. GrapheneOS has legacy builds available for it but doesn't recommend using them, and they might go away anytime soon

get a used device which is still properly supported, don't buy brand new e-waste

[-] possiblylinux127@lemmy.zip 4 points 1 week ago

You could just jot use Graphene OS. They create ewaste just as much as Android. Lineage OS will run on 8 year old phones.

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[-] eugenia@lemmy.ml 8 points 1 week ago

You can install LineageOS or e/OS on it (instead of Graphene, if that's too controversial), and then the 4a is a good phone to use.

[-] s38b35M5@lemmy.world 8 points 1 week ago

I bought a used Pixel 5 in Feb for my daily driver. Replaced my Pixel 3 only because the power button was flaky. They both still run great. By my standards, getting two years out of a phone I paid $150 for is better than getting three years out of a $700 phone.

[-] helenslunch@feddit.nl 7 points 1 week ago

Yes, it's too old. Does not receive software updates anymore. The newer a-series of phones are still quite a bit larger than the 4a but also quite a bit smaller than the 8 or especially 8 "Pro" or whatever the fuck stupid name they're giving phones these days.

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[-] delirious_owl@discuss.online 5 points 1 week ago* (last edited 1 week ago)

I have a Pixel 3a, and I love it. I also have a Pixel 4a and love that one too

I bought a Pixel 5a, and hated it. I think the 4a is the best phone on the market right now. Great price, great support in Lineage, and its not too big and heavy.

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[-] pH3ra@lemmy.ml 5 points 1 week ago

Writing from a 3 years old 4a running CalyxOs: the phone is a perfect choice if you want a small sized phone with a 3.5mm jack and that gets constant updates. The camera might be a little better but I don't take many pictures so I don't mind.

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[-] AnxiousDuck@feddit.it 5 points 1 week ago

Can someone explain to me under what circumstances would using an old phone be risky (under a common reasonable threat model)?

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[-] tmpod@lemmy.pt 5 points 1 week ago

After my 6 year old Redmi 4X's screen touch decided to die, I got an opened-not-used Pixel 4a (in perfect condition) at the end of 2022, because it was one of the few small-ish phones that had good modding support (Pixel phones are ofc known to be very good to degoogle). I love it. Feels good, works well, has a great camera (got a GCam mod too), etc. Only downside is the smaller battery (3100 vs 4100 mAh), but honestly it isn't that big of a deal, I can just carry a powerbank on my backpack or, you know, use my phone less.

Back then, it was the perfect choice for me. Now, I don't know, haven't been keeping up with current models.

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[-] haui_lemmy@lemmy.giftedmc.com 5 points 1 week ago

tangential: I‘m using a oneplus 6 with postmarketOS but depending on your friend‘s it skills, it might not be ready for him yet.

So far its very usable but I suggest someone must want to swim against the current and do things differently. One could say a „pioneer“ type would be ideal for this.

[-] jet@hackertalks.com 5 points 1 week ago

Depends on your friends threat model, lineage will work on it.

No security updates makes the Pixel 4a a bold choice for your main phone. I don't recommend it

I would follow the graphene OS recommended phone guide, that gives you maximum flexibility to put any operating system you want on the phone.

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[-] GolfNovemberUniform@lemmy.ml 5 points 1 week ago* (last edited 1 week ago)

It goes for like $80-120 in my country. For the price it's an interesting deal but it's extremely old so GrapheneOS won't support it. I think you can still find something like LineageOS or crDroid but tbh it's too old for a new daily driver. Lack of firmware updates will kill custom ROMs due to incompatibility with new Android versions eventually (and most likely very soon).

Compact phones are dead now and the last ones don't even seem to support degoogled custom ROMs. You're out of lack with that.

[-] Corgana@startrek.website 4 points 1 week ago

extremely old

Dude it's less than four years old lol I get what you are saying but Q3 2020 is not that long ago.

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[-] zod000@lemmy.ml 4 points 1 week ago

I am far from unbiased as I just switched back to my pixel 4a from my new Sony Xperia. I think the Pixel 4a is a flat out GREAT phone, full stop. It is perfectly sized IMO, has been very reliable, good battery life (though at this point I should look into replacing the battery), and it has a headphone jack. That being said, picking it as a new phone now essentially means going with a custom rom and hoping it stays supported. That's fine and all, but it's not something most people want. Just to be clear, the xperia isn't a bad option per se, I only switched back because the phone came carrier locked when it was supposed to be unlocked and the carrier it was locked to was uncooperative so I refunded it.

[-] floofloof@lemmy.ca 4 points 1 week ago* (last edited 1 week ago)

Used Pixel 6, 6 Pro, 7 and 7 Pro can be found for reasonable prices these days. One of those in good condition would be a better buy because you'll still get security patches for a while. Last time I looked, the third party OSs for Pixel phones only supported them for as long as Google did.

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[-] LodeMike@lemmy.today 4 points 1 week ago

It is currently not being updated

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