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The first presidential debate is done and the aftermath has not been good for the incumbent, Joe Biden.

Some Democrat politicians and operatives reportedly texted CNN commentators with hopes that Mr Biden, 81, would step aside. Some floated the possibility of going to the White House and publicly stating concerns about him remaining as candidate.

But if Mr Biden were to drop out, it would be a free-for-all. There is no official mechanism for him or anyone else in the party to choose his successor, meaning Democrats would be left with an open (Democratic National Convention (DNC) in Chicago from August 19-22.

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[-] Paragone@lemmy.world 14 points 2 months ago

Because it is sooo late in the arbitrary-election-cycle, no matter what the Dems do, they're fucked.

Go with Biden?

Then they're fucked.

Go with Kamala Harris, whom the white-supremacists have been working against for years?

Then they're fucked.

Find somebody else?

There isn't time, so then they're fucked.


This highlights the category of political-lesson that you have to "fail early & fail often" ( to use a phrase from successful serial-startup founders ) in order to find the robust candidates whom you can currently win with.

UNlike the way the Dems have played.

The CNN+NYT "shutting down" of progressive-issues & progressive-voices, in the last election, burned too much potential out of existence, and that traction is gone: non-recoverable.

The mega-entitlement of the Biden insitution is buckling & collapsing with increasing obviousity.

I fucking told everyone so, again & again & again, but it was all my "delusion" & "incompetence" & "defectiveness" & "lies", was it??

Trump is going to become the US's dictator,

& is going to begin the 2nd half of the US's Civil War ( the Confederates only pretended to surrender, & now are earning a "reverse takeover" ), & the butchery will probably reduce the US's population by 2/3rds, within 12y, counting all the consequences both direct & indirect ( complete failure to manage a hurricane's landfall costs much more life than does managing it competently: multiply that by a dozen per year, & you've got human-costs up the gills, without even considering atmospheric-rivers, megadroughts, quakes, wildfires, or any other kind of disaster to multiply costs on, right? ).

it is infuriating to see people insist that "social pressure will make this work", millions of times,

while it measurably, proveably, isn't working, but that is what Natural Selection at the species-level means, isn't it?

Terminal Species-ending Butchery.


Sunak's obliteration of his own party, Kim Campbell's obliteration of her own party, what was that Liberal premier who wiped out her own party, in Ontario, can't remember that one's name..

Social-pressure never acts when it is needed, it only acts when it gets around to feeling comfortable with acting, and that is consistently too-late.

So, when will the Democratic Party admit they need to change gears??

After they've fundamentally lost, is when.

Imagine running a bunch of freight-trains that way: "oh, we'll slow-down when we feel a collision beginning, but until then, we're really fine, & there's no indication of any real need to be doing anything different, is there?"

Feelings are the wrong metric for preventing this kind of catastrophy.

frustration-rage

Authority needs to have hard walls, bright lines, & deadly-force biting its corruptions/entitlements/dishonesties/DarkHexad enactments, etc.

Political-process won't ever allow any such rule, in its dominion, of course..

And that is why political-process cannot be permitted to own our world's fate: its conflict-of-interest, & its inescapable-corruption disallow integrity from ruling, & without integrity, then only "Justice", with falsifying-quotes, the phony version of Justice, remains..


So, The Great Filter's going to extinguish yet another world, from this Universe, is it?

Political-machiavellianism/dishonesty's going to snuff all LivingPotential, LivingWorth, LivingOpportunity of this whole world, while the "social consensus" indulges in orgiastic clusterfucking, until existential-viability itself is gone..??

Ah, but at least everyone will be able to feel that they "weren't responsible", right?

Social-feelings: that's the real LORD, and so long as it's happy, then existence, itself, isn't actually necessary, right??


bitterness

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[-] Crackhappy@lemmy.world 13 points 2 months ago
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[-] gedaliyah@lemmy.world 11 points 2 months ago

Betteridge's law of headlines is an adage that states: "Any headline that ends in a question mark can be answered by the word no."

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[-] werefreeatlast@lemmy.world 11 points 2 months ago

Like I said, I'd vote for a rock at this point.

A O C

Bernie!

[-] HeyThisIsntTheYMCA@lemmy.world 9 points 2 months ago
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[-] Hello_there@fedia.io 9 points 2 months ago

Lol wtf. The BBC implying that Biden did such a shit job he could stop running.

[-] girlfreddy@lemmy.ca 13 points 2 months ago

They asked the question because ...

Some Democrat politicians and operatives reportedly texted CNN commentators with hopes that Mr Biden, 81, would step aside.

That's from the summary and article, if you had bothered to read it.

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[-] RatzChatsubo@lemm.ee 9 points 2 months ago
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[-] Maggoty@lemmy.world 8 points 2 months ago

First of all the party doesn't have to do anything. They literally make the rules of their nominating convention. So the idea that it would just be unfettered chaos is ridiculous.

With that idea firmly in place, yes it's physically possible to replace him, until the nominating convention nominates him.

As to the idea that it must be an open convention instead of some kind of brokered convention, the earlier the democrats get on this and the more buy in they have from Biden, the more successful it will be. If they aren't going to pull the trigger though you'll never hear about anything because it could damage the campaign. So it's a crossing the Rubicon moment the second they announce they're going to do something other than nominate Biden.

first of all, some names that have been thrown around-

Newsom, high profile governor from taking runs at MAGA in the media. Was already raising his name recognition for a 2028 run. Whitmer, governor of a key state, bullet bump from the kidnap attempt Pritzker, governor of a key state Shapiro, governor of a key state

Obviously some other people are getting their names thrown around, but the party is not going to take any extra risk in a time like this. So the replacement would very likely be straight, white, male, and photogenic. I wish we lived in a world where that wasn't true, but they're trying to reach for every single vote they can and they cannot afford racism or misogyny to pull anything.

Bernie, I love him but we're not exactly going to say Biden is too old and then nominate Bernie.

How the party does this would also have an effect. If they make it an inclusive process, debates with a caucus or comment period before allowing only the top two or three (according to polls and comments) to go into the convention then they can avoid a lot of the anger over appearing to just throw Biden away. The elephant in the room here is they did not have an actual primary this year. One man's name on the ballot is not an election. So they'd need to have that sort of atmosphere, but in just the few weeks before the convention. If they don't try to include their voters then this would fail.

Over all there's a lot to be said for sticking with the guy versus taking a path with so many failure points. If they approach a candidate and that candidate leaks the plan, they're worse off than before. If they don't make the voters feel included they fail. If they allow the convention to become a chaotic mess they fail. If they can't get Biden to endorse the replacement they fail. If they choose wrong with the abbreviated vetting period and we get another October surprise then they fail. And there's always the chance that they sustain too much damage even though they do everything right and fail anyways.

But yeah, it's possible, it doesn't have to be chaos, and there are people who can step in.

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