Tax the rich and lower the retirement age that was just recently raised. Seems like a good plan to me.
I'm curious why they chose €400k as the top bracket. Is that low or high for such a steep tax rate? I'm not rich enough to know anything about this.
You have to remember in Western countries it's usually progressive brackets. So they're paying 90 percent on anything past 400,000. You never have a net loss to taxes just for making more money in such a system.
Technically, yes. However there are circumstances some places in the lower brackets where making more can disqualify you from welfare benefits. In those circumstances, an increase which is too small to compensate for the loss of benefits would be, effectively, a net loss.
Obviously though, that's not really an issue at the 400k bracket.
And that's a big thing in France I think. I heard many talks about how it's better to be on SMIC (minimum salary) so you get all the benefits, and that for it to be worth it you need to bump up quite a bit higher in salary. I don't have any numbers to show or anything though so take it with a grain of salt.
Obviously.
Just assuming but people earning 400k are still working but living from the interest. Also 400k and having a few children may result in a good, but rich life.
I would also assume that their math pointed them there.
Lawyers and doctors can make that much, so they want to go just above that.
And anything above that really is excessive.
Good start.
The rich (and those licking their boots, even in these comments) would be well served to remember where the phrase "eat the rich" originates, and what the French (as should we all) do to those in power when they refuse to give up that power voluntarily.
You can go ahead and at least put the full quote, because I just love it so much.
"When the people shall have nothing more to eat, they will eat the rich."
Fair..
Do you remember how all of their revolutions ended up? My personal favourite is the one that led to Napoleon.
The corporations need to be taxed heavily
Why are you not putting the URL in the URL field? That will trigger the metadata to be pulled / federated which often includes a summary/description of the linked content.
I’m using a mobile client called mlem. That must be why the links are coming out weird.
Ah. Haven't used Mlem, but I've heard of it. Weird limitation for a client to have, though.
I'm biased but have you tried !syncforlemmy@lemmy.world
I haven’t as I don’t think that’s available for iPhone
im just glad for once that its actually a socialist left coalition that isn't transphobic. those are rare.
Yay, so they're much better than Labour.
Man, the french are going to need a wall for the amount of lefty americans who will be claiming political asylum.
Not going to happen though. While the left came first they still are not a majority. They hold 180 seats, which is less than 1/3 of the 577. No one really won the election.
Its really deadlock and all 3 groups will struggle to work together as none want the blame for the mess that will be split gjvernment, and all want to position themselves as the solution, win the presidency and/or next set of legislative elections.
So there is no way the centre or right will vote in a 90% tax on the rich. It'll be a struggle to even get a basic budget passed.
That's just how parliaments work. The Left has more pull than usual so they are announcing their policy goals to anchor their allies. They won't get any of what they want in full but now they have to work with their partners in government to get legislation done. I have no idea if the centrists and the right party are as obstructionist as the American GOP though, or if France's parliament has any levers to prevent outright obstruction
How do you like Ground news?
I’m likening it a lot as it gives a perspective of who is behind my news.
No OP, but I've been using it for a bit now, and while it's not perfect, it does make it really easy to read news from other parts of the world and to look into the background of various outlets. It makes it easy to get around pay walls and article limits and It's also, like, $10 a year... and it's pretty easy to get a "1 dollar for a year sub" promo code from any random politics YouTuber. It's been a decent way to keep me from just defaulting to Reuters and AP instead of reading other outlets, which I would say is it's best feature for me.
Does it have a nice feed with the latest news around the world and can you actually read the news there? I thought it was more of a news aggregator/comparison tool and I’m afraid that some news will be behind another pay wall or in some other website.
Lastly if you have one of those codes (maybe one that benefits you I can have a look). For 1$ a year I can give a try myself.
Marginal though right?
Indeed, it's the marginal taxe rate on your incomes. The left wing coalition wants to add 4 new brackets to the 5 existing ones. 90% would be applied to the next euros you earn after €400,000.
This is HORRIBLE! RICH people are the ONLY ones who currently Pay Taxes and Hire People! Without them there would be LITERALLY NO BUSINESSES OR TAXES!
Poe's Law is doing some heavy lifting, here.
just so people know: op is not serious. check their history.
Man I really thought this was a setup for a joke, but…nope. Just deranged screeching.
Edit: okay I guess it’s a bit
Are you aspiring to write for the Onion?
That was some thick shit you spewed on the page.
Well, I'm glad they're trying it and not us. I think this is a highly risky move and will lead to bad unintended consequences. But I'm not a huge ideologue and won't mind terribly if I'm proven wrong on this.
Some people are unable to learn from the past. And the last time this happened isn't even that long ago.
In 2012 then candidate president Hollande did a surprise announcement of a 75% tax on earners of 1m+. And it was such a surprise that even the fiscal expert on his team was surprised.
Before Hollande was even elected, rich people started responding by changing their domicile to outside France, often also actually (part time) emigrating.
After getting elected Hollande then tasked his government with implementing such a tax. And that whole lengthy process was a political disaster, ending with the implementation of a heavily watered down temporary tax.
The chronology: https://www.lesechos.fr/2015/01/chronologie-de-la-taxe-a-75-sur-les-tres-hauts-revenus-avant-disparition-197994
After implementation the tax failed to bring in the projected money, because well, people react to what they perceive as overtaxation + the overall economy wasn't doing so great due to this and other policies of Hollande: https://taxfoundation.org/blog/france-s-75-percent-tax-rate-offers-lesson-revenue-estimating/
Half an article with a graph of the effect on wages, the rest is behind a paywall: https://www.lemonde.fr/idees/article/2019/06/28/quand-la-taxe-a-75-a-ete-supprimee-le-nombre-de-contribuables-declarant-plus-de-1-million-d-euros-par-an-a-augmente_5482849_3232.html
In 2017 Hollande was the most unpopular french president in history and he did not run for reelection. Not solely because of this tax, but it certainly didn't help.
And that was 75%. So a 90% tax on the rich is just incredibly dumb populism.
Currently this post sits at 5 down votes, so it's not just that some people are unable to learn from the past, it's people who are unwilling to learn from the past.
If you're presented with evidence that what you want to do, will not work and will have negative consequences and you still want it to go ahead, then I have to ask: Why?
Why insist on doing something again which has failed in the past and which will undoubtedly fail again in the future? What is this meant to accomplish?
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