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[–] krashmo@lemmy.world 68 points 1 year ago (4 children)

I don't get why anyone would be against solar panels. Environmentally, economically, visually, practically, where is the problem?

[–] Telorand@reddthat.com 42 points 1 year ago (2 children)

They detract from a "certain look," which is what many of those nightmare-HOAs only care about. Makes their houses more valuable, so the poors can't ever afford to live there, and it feeds their busybodied lust for power over others.

[–] SkyNTP@lemmy.ml 32 points 1 year ago

Indeed, though I think that a house with solar is more valuable too, so that argument kinda falls flat.

It's just uneducated, backwards thinking is all it really is.

[–] krashmo@lemmy.world 18 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (1 children)

But solar panels, especially owned panels, only add to the value of the house. If anything that makes it harder for "the poors" to afford living in the neighborhood. Obviously that's not my rationale for supporting green energy but I say it to illustrate that even their own weird and insular logic should encourage solar adoption.

[–] Telorand@reddthat.com 18 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago)

Adding solar panels increases the value of your home (...sometimes—there's certain insurance companies that might disagree), but having a different home means the other homes are now devalued compared to yours.

Now, you could force everyone to add solar, but the busybodies who head problematic HOAs are often resistant to change.

ETA: I also think it's dumb, but that's HOAs for you.

[–] lone_faerie@lemmy.blahaj.zone 38 points 1 year ago (1 children)

HOA members are often retired folks who refuse to give up any type of power. They fill their free time by making up problems for others just to entertain themselves.

[–] DoucheBagMcSwag@lemmy.dbzer0.com 8 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (1 children)

And they're likely being fed faux news that solar panels are unamerican communism and they should only rely on clean, god-fearing coal.

And they're using their power to crusade and stop it because they think it's "right."

[–] barsquid@lemmy.world 26 points 1 year ago (1 children)

You probably don't understand why anyone would be against having black neighbors either, but that's the original purpose of the HOA.

[–] Artyom@lemm.ee 6 points 1 year ago

My guess is if the HOA owner doesn't have solar and everyone else does, then that would reduce the HOA owner's property value.

[–] SeikoAlpinist@slrpnk.net 43 points 1 year ago (3 children)

This should be a national law.

[–] nickwitha_k 23 points 1 year ago (1 children)

They should be abolished by national law for SFHs. They are nothing more than private, unaccountable governments that allow those with more leisure time to exercise petty power over others.

[–] Quill7513@slrpnk.net 7 points 1 year ago (1 children)

For real. There's an avenue for HOAs to be useful and good, allowing a community to self govern itself a bit and provide its community with services like community gardens, small parks (like really small. Like a playground), and maybe a space or two for people in the community to have something like a farmers market where they sell things they've grown or made. Mostly though HOAs tell you you put your trash bin in the wrong place, your grass is too long, and you can't line dry your cloths, all those things will lower the property value in the neighborhood

[–] match@pawb.social 7 points 1 year ago

Low-water yards too.

[–] Shelbyeileen@lemmy.world 12 points 1 year ago

Heck yes! I'm so happy! Fuck the HOAs here. They're garbage and so expensive.

[–] PineRune@lemmy.world 11 points 1 year ago

I'm always hearing and reading nightmare stories about HOAs; this is a good step in the right direction.

[–] wheeldawg@sh.itjust.works 7 points 1 year ago

HOAs should just suffer in public without help. I'm in favor of just about any law forcing them to do something they don't like.

If you make one bored you should get like a $20 tax voucher. $50 if you livestream it.