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[-] mozz@mbin.grits.dev 88 points 4 months ago
  1. I watched the video and honestly just this one dude standing in this unidentified location for unknown reasons with a patch that maybe looks like a Wagner patch if you zoom in and squint, doesn’t really mean anything.
  2. I had no particular opinion about the Venezuela elections and no idea that anyone in geopolitics cared, until some of the Lemmy propagandists who also don’t like Ukraine started going HARD that Maduro was the best and totally won and González was a tool of US imperialism and Elon Musk.
  3. Fact check bot? Where you at? I sorta want to know what’s up with this site I’ve never heard of
[-] breakfastmtn@lemmy.ca 48 points 4 months ago* (last edited 4 months ago)

They don't have an MBFC page, which is a bit weird since according to their Wikipedia page they've been around for 26 years. I couldn't find any bias rating info on them anywhere.

The story seems a bit sketchy. IntelliNews attributes the video to Jason Jay Smart -- a political consultant and writer for the Kyiv Post. The video didn't originate with him though. About 6 hours earlier it was posted by 'The Spot News' who are probably a fake news organization*. They don't seem to have a web presence beyond that twitter account. Spot News was used as the source for this article from Defense-Blog that pre-dates the IntelliNews piece.

The earliest post with the video I can find is here from 'Ukraine News 24 Hours', who are also not really a news org and just link to a telegram account. They claim that they posted it but, who knows? Most references to the video describe it as "appearing online" without any attribution, which itself is a bit sketch. No one really reputable is reporting this (yet?).

  • Edit: by "fake news organization" I mean that they are not a real news organization, not that they are necessarily posting fake news (though they could be!)
[-] Gsus4@mander.xyz 18 points 4 months ago* (last edited 4 months ago)

If the video is fake or more verification by other outlets doesn't show up, I'll certainly take the post down.

[-] mozz@mbin.grits.dev 16 points 4 months ago* (last edited 4 months ago)

Personally I don’t think it’s wrong to have it up; there is enough bullshit in the “factual” news that I think it’s okay if people see this interesting thing while still being aware of the context that maybe it is a weird mistake or means nothing at all. I was just - maybe for the first time - sort of actually wanting the bot to tell me more about this news source.

As a general rule, to me the model of “let me take the information and figure out for myself and based on comments whether I think it is well founded enough to take seriously” is better than “the mods and MBFC bot will keep me safe, anything untrustworthy should come down, anything that does stay up I can just accept uncritically because it’s had a stamp of being definitely trustworthy”.

[-] Maggoty@lemmy.world 4 points 4 months ago

Amateur news organization or unaccredited news organization are two better ways of referring to Twitter accounts with two guys and a camera.

[-] breakfastmtn@lemmy.ca 4 points 4 months ago

At least in the case of 'The Spot News', I don't think that's what they are and I think it's giving them more legitimacy than they deserve. I don't believe it's a genuine effort to do reporting. They're posing as a news agency when they're just reposting stuff they find online. Even in that tweet, they're reposting a video as if it's their own.

There are a million of these grifty accounts/sites that claim to be 'The World's #1 Source for Global Breaking News'. Two people and a camera can do a lot of things, but they can't be that. The people and the camera can only be in one place at a time, right?

In just the last 12 hours, The Spot News have "covered" Aerosmith, an attack on Israel, Imane Khelif (with this scummy nugget: "Imane Khelif, who has male hormones and beats women, took refuge in Allah."), a Kirill Fedorov interview with a Russian soldier, bird-shaped Chinese drones, Eylem Tok's lawyer, and a Ukrainian attack on a Russian sub. That's quite the travel budget for a little operation out of Sheridan, Wyoming! They don't indicate who their "reporters" are. There isn't one human being associated with that account. These are all hallmarks of news grifters. What they're really doing is plagiarism.

'Ukraine News 24' doesn't make any big claims about being the world's top news source and, honestly, I'm not totally sure that they're even trying to claim that they're doing journalism even though they've identified themselves as a "media and news company." It seems more like news activism and 99% of what they seem to do is curate and amplify news about Ukraine (with attribution). There's no problem at all with them doing that. They don't seem to do any original reporting though. I was too harsh in equating those two but I think pointing out that they're not really a news org is appropriate because their name is kind of deceptive (intentionally or not).

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[-] unexposedhazard@discuss.tchncs.de 18 points 4 months ago* (last edited 4 months ago)

I mean its an open secret that the US likes to meddle in Venezuelan politics with varying degrees of military force. So it makes sense to me that Russia would also want to be there just because of that.

[-] mozz@mbin.grits.dev 13 points 4 months ago

Yeah. Venezuela has a TON of oil which makes it of interest to anyone in the world who likes to go around fuckin with people and taking their stuff.

[-] Gsus4@mander.xyz 3 points 4 months ago* (last edited 4 months ago)

Venezuela's oil reserves are the last that should ever be pumped out of the ground in the world. It is thick sludge like bitumen, full of heavy metals and hard to extract and process because it has lots of Sulphur, so it's corrosive. It is almost as bad as burning coal and produces less high-value light hydrocarbons like gasoline and more bunker fuel that can only be used in tankers and industry...which are heavy polluters.

I'm almost tempted to say that it would be better for those reserves to be under the control of a backwards dictator who won't be able to develop them or privatize them, but China has its eyes on exploiting those reserves too, not just the US, so even that unethical argument is moot.

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[-] PopShark@lemmy.world 4 points 4 months ago

Hey from a Russian-Ukrainian American guy I want to say thank you for actually caring about the facts and not just eating up the propaganda (because honestly I did)

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[-] DarkCloud@lemmy.world 61 points 4 months ago

I think it's obvious that Putin has to be killed in the name of global political stability.

[-] Gsus4@mander.xyz 85 points 4 months ago* (last edited 4 months ago)

I'd rather have him tried and imprisoned at the Hague. He destroys institutions. Institutions must destroy him in the end, not guns.

PS: and before the tankies rush in with their whataboutisms: Sinwar, Netanyahu and Dubbya should be made an example of too.

[-] FlyingSquid@lemmy.world 13 points 4 months ago

Agreed. Monsters should live out their lives in prison for their crimes.

[-] DancingBear@midwest.social 7 points 4 months ago

Unfortunately, the United States and Israel (ironically) have all but neutered The Hague….

[-] irreticent@lemmy.world 6 points 4 months ago

I don't know why you're being downvoted. The American Service-Members' Protection Act, known informally as The Hague Invasion Act, is a United States federal law described as "a bill to protect United States military personnel and other elected and appointed officials of the United States government against criminal prosecution by an international criminal court to which the United States is not party".

[-] YeetPics@mander.xyz 3 points 4 months ago

So that's how Lil' Putler is being allowed to genocide unranians.

[-] DancingBear@midwest.social 2 points 4 months ago

Not an expert on the ICC but I don’t think they have any means of enforcement other than public pressure on the international stage, or another country arresting the war criminal and then handing them over….

[-] pjwestin@lemmy.world 29 points 4 months ago

Yeah, you know what's great for global political stability? Assassinating the heads of state of countries with massive nuclear arsenals.

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[-] morphballganon@lemmy.world 19 points 4 months ago

Skull and crossbones patch?

Are we sure they're not just gravy seals who bought some military surplus and decked them out with pirate patches?

[-] Agent641@lemmy.world 4 points 4 months ago

Pirate Bay enthusiasts?

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[-] Zoldyck@lemmy.world 13 points 4 months ago

ruzzians are ruining the world

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[-] ZILtoid1991@lemmy.world 11 points 4 months ago

The good PMC protecting the good dictator! - lemmygrad and hexbear probably

[-] Siegfried@lemmy.world 10 points 4 months ago* (last edited 4 months ago)

One of the conspiracies around Prigozhin's death suggested that he was alive in Margarita island in Venezuela... which makes no sense. But finding wagner's mdrcenaries in Venezuela is kind of quaint.

Edit: vzla to venezuela

[-] viking@infosec.pub 3 points 4 months ago

Is it really so hard to spell out Venezuela?

[-] Siegfried@lemmy.world 3 points 4 months ago

i usually write it that way and didnt realize

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[-] theacharnian@lemmy.ca 8 points 4 months ago

Is Wagner still a thing after last year's shenanigans?

[-] SkunkWorkz@lemmy.world 17 points 4 months ago

They are now fully integrated into Putin’s goon squad.

[-] ILikeBoobies@lemmy.ca 13 points 4 months ago

Yes, it’s beneficial to have a PMC

With different (totally not under Russia) leadership they went back to Africa

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