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[-] SorosFootSoldier@hexbear.net 56 points 4 weeks ago

Wow not a good look for Palestine at all. Sweeties, Putin stole the 2016 election and killed neo-nazis in Ukraine. Rethink this.

[-] angrytoadnoises@lemmygrad.ml 46 points 4 weeks ago* (last edited 4 weeks ago)

imagine being a liberal and having to accept that your personal voldemort cares more about Palestine than any leader you can choose from like even just being able to say that is more than so many western leaders

[-] Infamousblt@hexbear.net 35 points 4 weeks ago
[-] Barabas@hexbear.net 51 points 4 weeks ago* (last edited 4 weeks ago)

More like sicko-wistful

Long standing support my ass, Lavrov stated that the Israeli occupation of Gaza was similar to Russias stated goal of denazification. Russia is essentially on the same page as most of the pro two state solution states, which is essentially to keep talking about it while Israel keeps occupying more and more Palestinian land.

[-] zed_proclaimer@hexbear.net 16 points 4 weeks ago

Russia is arming Iran and is part of the axis of resistance effectively. What Lavrov said was stupid but it’s not the official position of the Russian state, which has always been to recognize Palestine - which is much better than literally every single Western nation

[-] Formerlyfarman@hexbear.net 6 points 4 weeks ago

Russia is not arming Iran. Iran has its own mic and the tings they don't produce, like planes, the Russians don't want to sell, or are never delivered when sold.

[-] zed_proclaimer@hexbear.net 10 points 4 weeks ago* (last edited 4 weeks ago)

https://www.stimson.org/2024/iran-and-russia-enter-a-new-level-of-military-cooperation/

Indeed, other aspects of widening Iran-Russia military cooperation are noteworthy. Iran has supplied Russia with munitions, artillery shells, and drones (Shahed-131/136 series and the more advanced Mohajer-6), which involves establishing an entire factory for producing Iranian-style drones on Russian soil. In November 2023 Tehran announced that it would be getting Russian Su-35 fighter jets as well as Mi-28 attack helicopters. The deal was reported as finalized but apparently has not yet occurred. Iranian ballistic missile shipments to Russia, if confirmed, suggest that the fighter jets, helicopters, and perhaps even the S-400 missile defense system will be sent to Tehran soon. In February 2024, Russia also sent an Iranian satellite into orbit marking burgeoning ties in the space industry.

There are military allies and provide each other military assistance. This is not controversial. Those satellites and funds are not going to waste, they are going right into the struggle.

[-] Formerlyfarman@hexbear.net 7 points 4 weeks ago

Saying Russia is arming Iran makes it seem like iranian industry is underdeveloped or needs Russian help. it does not. The Iranians have made a lot of effort in order to build their own heavy industry from scratch, the only country that has helped meaningfully in arming Iran is Korea. In many areas, like medium range ballistic missiles the Iranians are ahead, at least according to simplicius.

In other areas, like turbines for electric generation, it has been Iranian companies that have been supplying Russia after they were sanctioned. Even in your own link it's Iran doing the selling to Russia.

They cooperate, and that's great. But that's different than Russia arming Iran. As the link says none of the hardware going from Russia to Iran has been delivered, even things that were paid decades ago. Except for the satellite launch.

[-] zed_proclaimer@hexbear.net 13 points 4 weeks ago* (last edited 4 weeks ago)

Saying Russia is arming Iran makes it seem like iranian industry is underdeveloped or needs Russian help. it does not. The Iranians have made a lot of effort in order to build their own heavy industry from scratch

You're reading into it too much, that was not my assertion. My assertion was that Russia and Iran have joint military cooperation on the level of a de facto Military Alliance now. They both are assisting each other, covering weak spots. My point is that Russia is materially allied with Palestinian struggle because they killed Zionist and US agents in Syria and are military allies with the axis of resistance.

Saying that Russia is just saying this to "score points and sow division" is stupid. They're doing it because it's in their interests to push NATO out of Eurasia, and that's increasingly meaning Israel as well

[-] Formerlyfarman@hexbear.net 3 points 4 weeks ago

I'm unsure of the extent of cooperation between both sides, it's certainly less than between Iran and Korea or Iran and Venezuela.

There is also a significant portion of the Russian ruling class with deep economic ties to the entity and the west. So it's in their personal and class interests to reproach the west. This is also true in Iran to a lesser extent.

However I do agree that as the sanctions against Russia continue, it's economic interests will align more and more with the resistance, we have seen the reproach meant with Korea, and Iranian arms sales are a good start.

That being said, this meeting was with the comprador regime in the west bank and the statement seems vacuous.

[-] zed_proclaimer@hexbear.net 13 points 4 weeks ago* (last edited 4 weeks ago)

Yes it was, a meeting with the compradors. They also met with Hamas leader though. They are a state. They have to have diplomatic meetings with everyone, even those they don’t like, and make pleasantries.

Cuba does this. Venezuela does this. China does this. Basically the only nation that doesn’t have to do much diplomatic pleasantry crap is DPRK because they are so isolated they can just have their exact position without having to placate certain geopolitical tensions or powers

[-] Seasonal_Peace@hexbear.net 25 points 4 weeks ago

Pulter likes Palestine. palestinians = orkkkks confirmed??? :slava ma balls: :herosam ma balls:

[-] Formerlyfarman@hexbear.net 14 points 4 weeks ago* (last edited 4 weeks ago)

Isn't this the comprador regime in the west bank?

[-] 1stTime4MeInMCU@mander.xyz 11 points 4 weeks ago

I’m sure this is a very principled position and not just an opportunity to score points and sow division

[-] Kumikommunism@hexbear.net 66 points 4 weeks ago* (last edited 4 weeks ago)

sow division

The evil Ruski plot to get people to disagree about whether slaughtering children and raping hostages is bad.

There is no division to be sown here. If someone is on the evil side of this issue, that's entirely their own personal failing. And all major political parties of all major Western countries agree on being pro-genocide. So who do you think he's trying to sow division between?

[-] Infamousblt@hexbear.net 33 points 4 weeks ago

Well see he's trying to help Trump win because as everyone knows the only reason anyone would care about Palestinian children is because they want to keep Harris from becoming president. There is literally no other reason to feel empathy for these children and their families that are being brutally murdered by the hundreds every single day.

[-] Evilsandwichman@hexbear.net 51 points 4 weeks ago

to score points

With who? The democratically elected Western governments have come out entirely on Israel's side.

And I wouldn't make the 'principled' position argument if I were you; Western governments are literally on the side of a country that's just bombed a school (the fifth by now I think); although sadly given our country and NATO bomb infrastructure as a matter of course, perhaps Western governments do support the mass murder of global South civilians out of principle (they certainly defended it for the last 10 months).

And I'm going to be completely honest with you: I don't care what their principles are; if someone decides to seek profit and power by standing with the oppressed, more power to them; the planet certainly has leagues more of the people who'd stand with oppressors in the interest of profit, power and standing in firm alliance with fellow Western/white powers even when they're engaged in horrific crimes.

[-] zed_proclaimer@hexbear.net 33 points 4 weeks ago* (last edited 4 weeks ago)

Sow division among who? Westoid Liberals who claim to support Palestine but are just chauvinist cowards?

Ukraine is ran by Nazis and so is Israel. Being against both is completely consistent

[-] zed_proclaimer@hexbear.net 23 points 4 weeks ago

sure wish western leaders would "score points" by having non-genocidal positions, but alas

[-] autismdragon@hexbear.net 20 points 4 weeks ago

I actually agree with you that Putin doesnt actually care about Palestine, but this isnt about sowing division, its geopolitical chess. And Russia's geopolitical position makes him capable of taking the right position.

[-] GarbageShoot@hexbear.net 18 points 4 weeks ago

It's literally just a standard diplomatic statement, you don't need to roll it into your new russiagate

[-] kleeon@hexbear.net 16 points 4 weeks ago

Палестина будет свободна putin-wink

[-] Teekeeus@hexbear.net 11 points 4 weeks ago* (last edited 4 weeks ago)

Not everything revolves around the circus show elections of the west

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