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[-] mipadaitu@lemmy.world 101 points 4 months ago

There are a lot of reasons, but all of the NATO countries that were supplying Ukraine put very tight restrictions on how that equipment could be used. For example, none of the aircraft or artillery were allowed to be fired into Russia for fear of a nuclear escalation.

They've been slowly relaxing that restriction and it gave Ukraine more freedom to run the campaign as they see fit

[-] Don_Dickle@lemmy.world 34 points 4 months ago

I am rooting for them. I hope they do like the Wagner Group and make it all the way to Moscow.

[-] foggy@lemmy.world 46 points 4 months ago* (last edited 4 months ago)

I hope Ukraine fills in the gap to Kazakhstan and takes everything south until Georgia.

Maybe Georgians would actually finally have a decent situation.

Maybe. ๐Ÿ˜•

I'd love to visit St Petersburg, Finland, someday.

[-] ivanafterall@lemmy.world 1 points 4 months ago* (last edited 4 months ago)

F-16s buzzing the Kremlin when?

[-] tetrachromacy@lemmy.world 32 points 4 months ago

I believe also that the predominating thought in this war among the generals that plan it is that a shake up to the current status quo was needed. Invading Russia gives Ukraine a bit of leverage, plus it draws away RU troops from the front line so that Ukraine may be able to retake a bit of ground.

Grand Poobah Pooty Putin can only say so many times that he's moving nukes to ready status or whatever until it becomes clear he's not going to use them. Nuking anybody, especially Ukraine, would be a tacit admission to the world that he's losing this war. If he did, NATO would likely get involved presumably because they would consider the fallout drifting over Europe to be an act of war, but a casus belli is a casus belli.

So yeah, I can see NATO countries being ok with a strike inside of Russia now. Makes total sense to me. I'm just surprised it took this long to get there.

[-] DarkThoughts@fedia.io 54 points 4 months ago

I think is a bit of a desperate move and change of tactics. They've tried to rally support to be able to conventionally push back Russia on their turf, but that failed for multiple reasons, like the slow drip feeding of gear. Ukraine cannot reach critical masses like that.

I also think it's a matter of a shift in support. The "red line" has been moved over and over again. Remember the raids of the pro Ukraine Russian troops into Russia? Some of them used HMMVs and that got some backlash from the US already. Generally back then the common consensus was to not use any western gear on Russian soil, only on the occupied Ukrainian one. Now we see more and more countries loosening their stance and allow Ukraine to strike Russia within their borders using their weapons.

So now they can do something they couldn't really do before, and they're trying new things to hurt the enemy and potentially get some leverage out of it.

[-] CanadaPlus 31 points 4 months ago

It may have just been a matter of opportunity, too. You can bet the Ukrainians have a lot of eyes in Russia, and will be able to see if they leave a flank open.

[-] pleasejustdie@lemmy.world 26 points 4 months ago* (last edited 4 months ago)

It also forces Russia into a defensive war where they have already committed all their forces for an Offensive war. This will force Russia to either give up parts of Russia, or withdraw troops from Ukraine to retake parts of Russia. And also I've seen reports that Ukraine is having to slow progress because of processing surrendering Russian soldiers.

I figure once Russia withdraws troops from Ukraine to reinforce itself, Ukraine will likely pull back and swoop in and take their territory back.

Then we'll see where this goes, either Putin will withdraw and try to get peace, or he'll act like a cornered animal, and will get more unpredictable and erratic. There is always the chance that Ukraine will refuse peace talks and just keep marching on Moscow too. Either way, by pushing into Russia they are changing the dynamic of the war drastically and can finally put Russia on the defensive without worrying about losing support from NATO allies.

[-] baldingpudenda@lemmy.world 13 points 4 months ago

Interesting strategy, can't stop them, but their usual tactic of throwing bodies at the problem is kinda working out for them. You can't move on to Moscow if you're too busy securing the POWs.

[-] dustyData@lemmy.world 14 points 4 months ago

The body mass tactic only works as long as those are able bodies. On defense were the oldest soldiers with lower quality equipment, with less motivation and ability to put up a fight. Hence the mass surrenders. Because all the young and easily compelled to fight were already on Ukraine. Now they will have to shuffle the forces, weakening the entire line and halting the recent offensives. An effective soldier can't fight in two fronts at once. Even if the progress is slow due to mass surrenders, you're still better off putting soldiers out of combat without losing territory (actually gainning it), instead of what was happening before.

[-] Ephera@lemmy.ml 5 points 4 months ago

It's also going to be interesting, how it affects morale on the Russian side. If Putin's propaganda machinery works, he'll spin it as an aggression from Ukraine and a reason for soldiers to defend their country and whatnot.

But, while it's always difficult to judge this from the outside, I cannot imagine that Russians don't know that this whole conflict was an aggression from Russia towards Ukraine. So, it will very likely lead to a lot of pressure to withdraw troops from Ukraine, not only to defend where necessary, but also to put this whole power trip to rest.

[-] Thorny_Insight@lemm.ee 24 points 4 months ago

Ukraine struggles to repel the constant attacks on the eastern front so by attacking Russia in the north, it forces them to move troops from elsewhere thus making them to stop the attacks due to lack of manpower and go on defence instead. This eases the pressure on the Ukrainian defenders.

This newly acquired land is also something they can use to trade back parts of their own land if and when the peace negotitations start.

It also further diminishes the credibility of the Russian army and leadership.

[-] Lost_My_Mind@lemmy.world 21 points 4 months ago

The USA and others said no.

[-] AlternatePersonMan@lemmy.world 15 points 4 months ago

I still find that insane.

"Russia has been attacking us for 2 years. We're going to attack back." "No, don't do that. That will escalate things." "Oh cool, I guess we'll just keep taking it."

[-] JakenVeina@lemm.ee 9 points 4 months ago

Slight distinction, though maybe not so much a practical one: it was more "Don't do that with our weapons, Russia will get mad at us, instead of just you."

[-] pop@lemmy.ml 19 points 4 months ago* (last edited 4 months ago)

They're probably tired of being used just as a customer for the military industrial complex and want to go back to their normal lives. They also probably have a ton of intel on the enemy's weaknesses to shut putin and his cronies down.

I hope they succeed at the earliest.

[-] uebquauntbez@lemmy.world 7 points 4 months ago* (last edited 4 months ago)

Russia is/was good fighting Ukraine from 'behind the fence' with heavy weapons. Ukraine got tired to be kept on short leash and not able to fight back. Right?

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