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Please fix Rule 1. (lemmy.world)
submitted 11 months ago* (last edited 11 months ago) by remotelove@lemmy.world to c/support@lemmy.world

A shroom community was removed from lemmy.world as it was considered "illegal" content by the admins. The logic behind this is boggling, to say the least.

Marijuana is considered an illegal substance in some states in the US and is still federally illegal. /c/trees should be banned, correct?

Clown pictures of Putin are absolutely considered illegal in Russia, so that should require and immediate ban.

Freedom of speech can also be considered illegal in some places.

Incest is considered illegal so that should automatically trigger a ban on all incest porn, real or not. Hell, porn is universally taboo, so that shouldn't have any place on this instance, I guess.

You see where I am going with this? Rule 1 is a catch-all and needs clarification. Simply saying something is illegal is not quite enough. Owning and sharing pictures of shrooms is not illegal. Trading spores or mycelium is generally not illegal either.

This is not about me being salty (which I am) about the community being removed and forced to relocate. It's the odd bias that was applied to justify its removal.

Please note that I said fix Rule 1, not remove it. There are some really bad things on the internet that shouldn't use lemmy as a safe haven.

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[-] Zoldyck@lemmy.world 106 points 11 months ago

Oof, yeah I fully agree.

We should be able to discus drugs, because whether you like it or not, drugs are part of the world, and part of life of many humans.

Most of us use drugs on a daily or weekly basis. Nicotine, caffeine, alcohol, weed, etc. We should be able to talk about these things.

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[-] not_awake@lemmy.world 75 points 11 months ago

Okay I didn't expect stricter rules here than on Reddit honestly.

[-] fkn@lemmy.world 66 points 11 months ago

To be clear, this is an instance choice. You can still find drug friendly instances and subscribe to the communities.

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[-] HawlSera@lemm.ee 5 points 11 months ago

Lemm.ee is your friend

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[-] Cornpop@lemmy.world 57 points 11 months ago

Agree 100 percent, just because something is illegal it does not make it illegal to talk about it.

[-] khepri@lemmy.world 9 points 11 months ago* (last edited 11 months ago)

I wish other people were making this point as well. Certain content is illegal various places around the world, and I don't think anyone is saying we want the admins to risk that, but entire communities are - at worst - slightly more prone than others to having users post illegal content. If I post illegal content anywhere, sure, go ahead and remove/ban. But removing discussion of entire topics, just because those communities* might* be places where people might be a little more likely try and post such content, just isn't making sense to me. Isn't it the content, not the name of the channel, that's the issue, or am I missing something?

[-] cacheson@kbin.social 49 points 11 months ago

Y'all could set up on psychedelia.ink instead: "A Lemmy instance for all things psychedelia or psychedelia-adjacent."

There may be other appropriate specialized instances as well, that was just the first one that I noticed.

[-] cerevant@lemmy.world 15 points 11 months ago

This is the solution. Communities need to congregate on smaller, like-minded instances. It makes sense to concentrate users on large instances, but communities should be spread out.

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[-] Potatos_are_not_friends@lemmy.world 7 points 11 months ago

This is my leaning.

Y'all gotta stop that whining and really lean into the "Blackjacks and Hookers" solution.

[-] cacheson@kbin.social 9 points 11 months ago* (last edited 11 months ago)

Yeah, this is why I like topic-specialized instances:

  • They have admins that are actually interested in the topic and will tailor the rules appropriately.
  • Hopefully are set up in and administered from friendly jurisdictions, to reduce legal risk.
  • Will be less likely to shy away from the risk of (possibly frivolous) legal action, whereas the admins of a general instance are more inclined to play it safe.

We need to think of what we're doing here less as recreating reddit, and more as linking together all those old phpBB-style enthusiast forums.

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[-] Nachorella 43 points 11 months ago

I agree, it needs to be more clear about what would be removed.

[-] FedditAlt@feddit.nl 35 points 11 months ago

The piracy instance needs to be reinstated too. The admins of this community make Reddit look good.

[-] tissek@sopuli.xyz 30 points 11 months ago

Gonna be that guy. But just because something is legal in one place doesn't mean it is legal where the instance/owner is located. And the owner is protecting their own skin, I would do the same. Can also be realted to the host.

So as others have mentioned, it's better to find an instance welcoming this kind of content.

[-] wahming@lemmy.world 44 points 11 months ago

OP's point stands. If that's the case, be specific about it. Have a rule saying no drugs. Otherwise rule 1 is just a vague excuse to ban anything and everything

[-] madcaesar@lemmy.world 17 points 11 months ago

This is a fair take. If world can't legally host this stuff say so.

Now if it won't do so, because the owner of world is some Puritan, then that also needs to be disclosed so I can immediately stop my donations to the sever.

[-] remotelove@lemmy.world 31 points 11 months ago

That is why I am asking for clarification around rule 1. I am sure many people would be glad to comply and start communities on other instances because of local laws and such.

It's an extremely vague rule, is what my point is.

[-] tissek@sopuli.xyz 7 points 11 months ago

I agree that it would make sense to be more clear. But how clear? List of all things that are illegal? Just those things thay differ from "normal" laws? But then what are we to set as "normal"?

Think the best would be to state where the instance is located and what national and international laws governing it. For example "No illegal content on instace based on German and EU laws".

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[-] CaptObvious@literature.cafe 28 points 11 months ago

Agreed about the need for clarity. There’s probably nothing that isn’t illegal somewhere. So what’s the standard here?

[-] mojo@lemm.ee 21 points 11 months ago

Just want to also point out that lemmy.world is already a huge instance and these communities would be better if they were spread out to more instances

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[-] DONTBANTHISACCOUNT@kbin.social 20 points 11 months ago

Like banning pics n photos of MUSHROOMS whether psychedelic or not is FUCKING BAZAAR to me ... I don't get it... Are amanita mascaria banned, how about blue meanies , or is it just cubes ? Banning nature / biology / science(mycology) is idiotic

Is there magazines about alcohol, vaping and or tobacco ?

Cause I assure You (Lemmy) shrooms been consumed by humans for far longer then any substances that You allow discussions over, and it's one of those organic substances that's more good than bad (obviously it's not for everyone) but it's a great 😃👍 substance... "

"several antibiotics have already been isolated from various mushrooms and microfungi (including penicillin and griseofulvin, which are isolated from microfungi)"

Are you gonna ban the discussion over antibiotics next ?

/SMH

[-] HawlSera@lemm.ee 15 points 11 months ago

A shroom community? That's disgusting, where?

[-] KroninJ@lemmy.world 17 points 11 months ago

Not on Lemmy.world, I can tell you that much at least.

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[-] iminahurry@discuss.tchncs.de 10 points 11 months ago

The Fdiverse already seems to be unraveling.

I always thought the model was flawed. Content from other instances should only be viewable and not copied to all instances.

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[-] FinalBoy1975@lemmy.world 9 points 11 months ago

The question of legality on Lemmy is something that has to evolve and be discussed because of federation. Stuff on one instance gets replicated on others in other parts of the world. What factors should be the determining ones? The place where the instance is hosted? All the places where the content is replicated? Who is liable? The owner of the originating instance or all the instances that replicate illegal content? If this wasn't free and open, but rather a huge corporation, the fediverse would have a legal team to decide already.

[-] khepri@lemmy.world 5 points 11 months ago

It's almost like our made-up borders and laws are somehow at odds with the fact that, in almost all cases, anyone can access any information from any place these days, and that information is replicated and stored across the globe!

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[-] luthis@lemmy.nz 9 points 11 months ago

Nah yeah bro, agreed.

[-] kuneho@lemmy.world 5 points 11 months ago

I aggree. Though, communities like this should be marked NSFW.

[-] Feathercrown@lemmy.world 4 points 11 months ago

Incest is considered illegal so that should automatically trigger a ban on all incest porn, real or not

GOOD. This is a plague. Get it out! OUT I SAY!

[-] remotelove@lemmy.world 4 points 11 months ago
[-] Feathercrown@lemmy.world 4 points 11 months ago

"For-- for a friend of mine."

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[-] some_guy 4 points 11 months ago

I bought psilocybin mushrooms legally in Oakland, CA, fwiw. Like a month ago.

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[-] PetteriSkaffari@lemmy.world 4 points 11 months ago

We have to admin the admins.

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[-] Vuipes@kbin.social 4 points 11 months ago

The illegal/legal content should be based on instance location.

[-] Nalivai@discuss.tchncs.de 4 points 11 months ago* (last edited 11 months ago)

Isn't it kind of the point of federated communities? Admins of one particular instance can set whatever arbitrary rules they see fit and good for the instance they operate, and in turn everyone else can organise their own instance with their own rules.
I absolutely can understand how an admin based in US doesn't want to answer the questions like "what are all this talks about controlled substances on your server"

[-] Rearsays@lemmy.ml 4 points 11 months ago

The problem is you’re never going to control how people use Lemmy the internet treats censorship as if it were damage and routes around it.

The only option is to abide the laws of local jurisdiction. No amount of reddit protesting is going to work in this case. You’re either going to enjoy Lemmy.world or it won’t be your cup of tea and you’ll find another instance. The question is what will it take to boil your frog.

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