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[–] JackbyDev@programming.dev 157 points 2 years ago (5 children)

Jenny was sexually abused as a child and believed she was sexually abusing Forrest. This is why at the end Forrest tells her "I may not be a smart man, but I know what love is." He's telling her that their relationship was consensual and that she was not taking advantage of him.

It's fine if you still believe she's an asshole to Forrest, but most folks don't understand this context.

[–] downpunxx@kbin.social 42 points 2 years ago (3 children)

Is that why she didn't tell Forrest that he was a father, and allow him to be part of the baby's life? Your overly charitable reading of the character doesn't hold water, JackbyDev

[–] ivanafterall@kbin.social 43 points 2 years ago

But she did!

...once she was literally dying and had no other choice.

[–] JackbyDev@programming.dev 23 points 2 years ago

I'm not making an argument as to why folks should not view her as an asshole, I'm pointing out an aspect of the character many people overlook. If anything I'm only saying she's less of an asshole. I haven't watched the movie in a long time to definitively say if she truly is or isn't an asshole. Like I said, it's still fine with me if folks believe she is.

[–] rebelappliance@lemmy.dbzer0.com 15 points 2 years ago (3 children)

Yes, trama can cause people to not be truthful or give big news because the fear of retaliation

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[–] qwertyqwertyqwerty@lemmy.world 13 points 2 years ago (1 children)

You somehow managed to more efficiently cover the entire point of the copypasta about Jenny from Reddit. Bravo.

[–] JackbyDev@programming.dev 4 points 2 years ago

Thanks, I try to be terse.

[–] LiesSlander@beehaw.org 13 points 2 years ago (1 children)

It feels so weird to see her character compared to cartoonishly evil ones like Darth Vader and the Joker. When watching the movie she is clearly a very damaged person, her character is tragic. The way she treats Gump makes sense, her culture is intensely ableist which combined with her trauma provides context to her actions. The idea that she is somehow a bigger asshole than a domestic terrorist with no concrete backstory, a serial killer, or even evil space jesus, is ridiculous. Frankly it reeks of casual sexism whenever I see people smear her, it feels like folks are either parrotting the opinions they found online, or never tried to understand her character while watching the movie.

[–] JackbyDev@programming.dev 6 points 2 years ago

Listen, we all know Darth Vader may have used the threat of genocide to get Leia to talk... And he may have even lied and done it anyways... And just the general idea of genocide and destroying a planet is awful... But have you considered women bad?

[–] interolivary@beehaw.org 12 points 2 years ago (1 children)
[–] JackbyDev@programming.dev 6 points 2 years ago

That's pretty much what a lot of folks' responses sound like.

[–] kryptonianCodeMonkey@lemmy.world 5 points 2 years ago (1 children)

We should also acknowledge that, not only did she wait until she was dying to tell Forrest about their son, there's also every possibility in the world that she was lying about him being the father in the first place.

As far as we are shown, they only had sex one time. Meanwhile she had recently arrived afteryears of a destructive and careless lifestyle including sexual promiscuity. And after they had sex, she left the next morning. It's not impossible, but the odds that her pregnancy resulted from her one night with Forrest, rather than her sexual partners before (or after) she showed up at the plantation, are pretty low. Especially given Forrest Jr. did not inherit any of Forrest's mental handicaps (an is in fact of higher than average intelligence).

The odds that she was dying, didn't have any clue who the actual bio-dad was, and so lied to and used her handicapped, lonely, yet wealthy childhood friend as a means to secure her child's future regardless of his paternity, though, is way higher. None of that is confirmed, obviously, but... it doesn't look great.

[–] JackbyDev@programming.dev 8 points 2 years ago (1 children)

Especially given Forrest Jr. Did not inherit any of Forrest's mental handicaps

Did they ever specify any conditions he had? I see zero evidence that it was hereditary. Just because something "doesn't look great" doesn't mean it is true. It's not supposed to look good. It's supposed to look bad. The film is not trying to absolve Jenny in that moment.

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[–] glowie@infosec.pub 54 points 2 years ago
[–] jivemasta@reddthat.com 40 points 2 years ago (1 children)

Um, professor umbridge from Harry Potter. She's basically an asshole just to be one.

The other ones all have some sort of justification to their shittyness. Jenny was abused, Vader was a literal slave that was taken advantage of by both the Jedi and palpatine. The joker has literal mental issues.

Umbridge was straight up a child abuser with no remorse or tragic back story. She harmed kids while enjoying it and drinking tea.

[–] Reliant1087@lemmy.world 9 points 2 years ago

You see later that she was a blood purist and tortured only those who she thought of as blood traitors or whatever. That's par on course with people who sided with voldemort. After the quidditch world cup the death eaters tried to torture a muggle family, including the children I think.

[–] theneverfox@pawb.social 28 points 2 years ago (1 children)

Rewatching this once again a few months back, I changed my mind on this

Forest is really weird about sex. I used to think it was because his mom was always bringing men over and his nerodivergence, but his reaction to it is a trauma response - he dissociates whenever people make a move on him.

There's a lot of hints that Jenny was sexually abused by her step dad, but in the beginning forests intro about him can be interpreted as him having done something to forest as well

In that context, think about their first kiss in her dorm - he gets weird and she freaks out. I assumed it was because she felt he wasn't able to consent, but maybe she freaked out because she realized she was triggering a trauma response and felt sick to her stomach

Then when they have sex, it's forced and uncomfortable for both of them. "I'll show you what love is" He did it just to fulfill her needs so she'd stay - but obviously that's not something she's ok with

In that context, it's not that Jenny doesn't love him, it's that he would be hurt to be sexual with her, and if she's around he'd be hurt if she was with others

[–] Shard@lemmy.world 4 points 2 years ago (1 children)

Wait. I thought that scene in the dorm was him having premature ejaculation which is why she stopped and said its okay?

[–] theneverfox@pawb.social 3 points 2 years ago

You might be right, that sounds kind of familiar now. Was there another scene like that? I remember a moment where she was like "oh shit what have I done" and freaks out

It's been a while now, I remember coming up with this theory in the beginning last time I watched it and it really hit different, I might have to rewatch it

[–] Treemaster099@pawb.social 28 points 2 years ago (6 children)

There's no debate. Jenny used forest and threw him away as soon as he didn't have what she wanted. When she ran out of places to go, she comes to forest just to torment him, get pregnant, then run away again. Then, she appears out of nowhere to hand off forest's kid that she had been hiding from him for years right before dying of the aids that she probably also gave to forest.

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[–] Faresh@lemmy.ml 21 points 2 years ago (1 children)

For anyone wondering, Hannibal Lecter is not the same guy as Hannibal from Carthage in the Second Punic War. When I was a child I always found the idea of that historical character being a sociopathic cannibal a bit weird.

[–] grue@lemmy.ml 3 points 2 years ago

He's also not the leader of the A-Team.

[–] Established_Trial@lemm.ee 21 points 2 years ago (1 children)

Grandpa Joe. Fuck that guy.

[–] MrGerrit@feddit.nl 2 points 2 years ago

The guy is so bad, he deserves his own list! Fuck grandpa Joe,!

[–] Rachelhazideas@lemm.ee 20 points 2 years ago* (last edited 2 years ago) (4 children)

The people who hate Jenny over everyone else are the same people who Skylar over Walter from breaking bad. Edgy 14 year boys who will hate a child sexual assault victim over literal murderers, cannibals, and genocidal maniacs. Misogyny at it's finest.

[–] silvercove@lemdro.id 4 points 2 years ago

People hate Jenny the most because they probably have seen a Jenny in their lives. Joker, Hannibal and Vader are too removed from normal life to genuinely hate.

[–] Surp@lemmy.world 4 points 2 years ago

I just hate Skylar because she sang happy birthday uncomfortably and it legit made me not like the character ever again lol

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[–] Seigest@lemmy.ca 16 points 2 years ago
[–] deven@kerala.party 14 points 2 years ago (2 children)

The least among them killed a lot of children

[–] Especially_the_lies@startrek.website 5 points 2 years ago (1 children)

Does killing a lot of children automatically make you an asshole? /s

[–] Followupquestion@lemmy.world 9 points 2 years ago (1 children)

Not just the children but the men and the women too?

[–] Zehzin@lemmy.world 1 points 2 years ago

Even Hannibal doesn't kill children. In any of the movies I've watched at least. He's even kind enough to let a kid in a plane eat lunch with him.

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[–] dudinax@programming.dev 9 points 2 years ago

"Other than Grandpa Joe..."

[–] Evil_Shrubbery@lemmy.zip 6 points 2 years ago

This is just because there is no It's Always Sunny In Philadelphia movie :D

[–] Spudwart@lemmy.world 4 points 2 years ago (1 children)

Vader isn’t an asshole.

Vader is a broken demon.

Raised a slave, he needed therapy not dogma.

The man who found him understood this, but fate didn’t play favorites.

Anakin was manipulated, twisted, used or abandoned by every person he ever met.

Except Luke, Luke never gave up on him, and more importantly, Luke understood him.

He was raised similarly to Vader, without the same abusive and destructive history.

However, Jenny is absolutely a full blown asshole.

[–] RobertOwnageJunior@lemmy.world 16 points 2 years ago (1 children)

Vader slaughtered children.

But sure, fuck Jenny.

[–] dream_weasel@sh.itjust.works 2 points 2 years ago

To be fair, you can't spell slaughter without laughter.

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