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MacOS is garbage (lemmy.sdf.org)
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[-] hello_hello@hexbear.net 74 points 3 months ago* (last edited 3 months ago)

There are people here who say that GNOME is a copy of MacOS I want to let you know that you that you are deeply unserious, one desktop is functional and the other is MacOS.

Same thing with people who say KDE is a Windows clone like Windows 11 didn't just steal KDE design language but made it worse because unlike KDE which is unified, just a few clicks in Windows you are suddenly transported to 2010 with the old Windows control panels, and Windows users vastly prefer the older menus.

Linux desktops are superior to their proprietary rivals. We may not have Adobe (lmao who needs that shit 🥴), we may not have HDR (not yet, check back in a couple of months or half a year), we don't have display mirroring (okay that one is valid) but our workflow is far superior.

[-] PorkrollPosadist@hexbear.net 33 points 3 months ago* (last edited 3 months ago)

GNOME did a lot of innovation and took A LOT of flak for it, but in the end they were right and most of the improvements to Windows Explorer after the disaster of Windows 8 were cribbed directly from it. The fact that you can launch a program on Windows by pressing the Windows key and typing two or three characters followed by enter is all thanks to GNOME. The fact that, after launching that program you can send it to the left half, right half, or full screen by pressing Windows-left, WIndows-right, or Windows-up is all thanks to GNOME. For all the talk in Windows 9x era programming manuals about how not all computers have mouse inputs, GNOME actually nailed down the keyboard-driven interface for "floating" window managers. The fact that you can hold ctrl-shift-left/right and drag these windows between several virtual desktops is just Linux users grave-dancing on Windows with a 10+ year old concept.

[-] AssortedBiscuits@hexbear.net 14 points 3 months ago

mfw Linux file managers had tabs more than a decade before file explorer.

[-] SkingradGuard@hexbear.net 7 points 3 months ago

I hate that the GNOME team is called "woke"? by a lot of Linux-using chuds online. Idk why though, it's so fucking weird.

[-] hello_hello@hexbear.net 7 points 3 months ago* (last edited 3 months ago)

GNOME said anti-white racism isn't real and the chud Linux community fucking IMPLODED pronouns style. Super based af but those chuds are the loudest so people get negative impressions of GNOME (and the GNU/Linux community) because of those chuds.

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[-] krakenfury 32 points 3 months ago

Workflow on Linux: Whatever I want. Workflow on MacOS: Whatever they want, and if I want to change something, I have to install a third party tool reverse engineered from their private API that will break on every update.

[-] krolden@lemmy.ml 17 points 3 months ago

Gnome did kinda steal its look from osx though. Gnome looked nothing like that when osx was released.

Windows11 definitely stole a lot from KDE though.

[-] lukecooperatus@lemmy.ml 10 points 3 months ago

I can't see much except the most surface level similarities between GNOME and macOS, anyhow. After finally ditching Windows a couple of years back, I now use GNOME daily, and the transition was very natural. Annoyingly, I (have to) have macOS for occasional work stuff, and current macOS is nothing at all like GNOME except they both have dialog windows and popup menus, I guess? Even those don't look or work similarly though, so I'm not sure where this idea that they are a copy came from. Maybe from people who haven't used either one in years?

How in the hell macOS got a reputation for being intuitive, I do not understand; it is the polar opposite of intuitive. GNOME on the other hand, just works exactly as I would expect. It's easy, it's pretty, it's free, and it doesn't have any ads. Installing software is simple for non-technical people, and the home key takes you to the front of a line of text as you'd expect. 🤣

extra rant about macOSJust about every time I try to do anything remotely productive in macOS it is massively frustrating and makes me literally angry.

  • The fucking home key doesn't even work properly, you have to do some weird ass key combination that I can't remember to get back to the front of a line of text.
  • Sometimes you hit the wrong key combination by accident, or have the audacity to click on the desktop, and suddenly every application you were using flies away.
  • Installing a downloaded application sometimes is just not fucking allowed without messing around under the hood because the app developer didn't pay Apple's fee to mark it "safe".
  • The non-App Store installation process is confusing as shit. You have to click the "installer" disk image in your downloads to mount it, then click on the icon on your desktop (assuming you already knew it was going to show up there), which might then display a weird dialog with two icons just sitting there, and oh yeah you're supposed to now also drag one of those icons and drop it over the other one, then unmount the disk image from your desktop or else it's maybe confusing for your grandma when she uses the computer later and wants to run that application, like WTF is this process? Just fucking do the install and get out of the way!
  • If you want to do anything that doesn't happen to have been blessed by Apple, you probably have to pay some asshole for an app that might maybe provide some hacky way to do it until a macOS update changes how shit works and breaks it.
  • Maybe it's just me, but mouse clicks and general UI feedback from input on macOS feels incredibly sluggish all the time. I suppose they have subtle animation effects that are causing that, I dunno, but it always feels vaguely like trying to run underwater, and I've got one of the supposedly awesome Silicon M2 Mini purchased new within the last year, so I don't see why it should be anything but snappy.

Just a constant barrage of basic established UI stuff functioning fundamentally differently for no apparent good reason is so god-damned frustrating in that pile of shit OS. I'm a technical user, so I can eventually figure out how to get done whatever I need to eventually, but holy fuck I don't know how regular people manage in that usability abomination.

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[-] TheDoctor@hexbear.net 9 points 3 months ago

We may not have Adobe (lmao who needs that shit 🥴)

The majority of workers in many media-centric fields, unfortunately. Can’t for Adobe to rest on their laurels for so long that they finally lose some market share.

[-] RoabeArt@hexbear.net 8 points 3 months ago

I've always seen people say that if you are coming from MacOS then try GNOME, and if you are coming from Windows then try KDE. This is the first time I've heard of anyone say either of those desktops blatantly ripped their respective OS's off.

[-] hello_hello@hexbear.net 7 points 3 months ago* (last edited 3 months ago)

The two proprietary desktops are so feature-bloated that it's hard to say exactly what "creative inspiration" was taken but KDE devs have talked about how they noticed Windows likes to copy KDE and even Deepin for their desktop for the "new and improved" ugly bottom bar that Windows users love to tell everyone they hate.

MacOS and Windows and KDE all use Qt as their toolkit so it's not hard to see the similarities.

[-] dannoffs@hexbear.net 14 points 3 months ago

MacOS and Windows and KDE all use Qt as their toolkit so it's not hard to see the similarities.

? QT supports MacOS, Windows, and KDE and is very popular but is only the default toolkit for KDE.

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[-] gueybana@hexbear.net 28 points 3 months ago* (last edited 3 months ago)

Dgaf it’s10x better than Windows,

you’re trying to desperately hide Windows in the corner, putting up tux to fight. Mac’s not winning that battle, sure, but bring out the red headed stepchild

[-] krakenfury 16 points 3 months ago

wat is 10 x 0

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[-] Frank@hexbear.net 26 points 3 months ago

I don't get the joke, but yes, and it has been since like 1998. Toy OS for the computer illiterate.

[-] krakenfury 11 points 3 months ago

alluding to those who will say something like, "linux is great, and macos is ok, but windows is awful!"

[-] neo@hexbear.net 13 points 3 months ago

the worst people: "Linux is free for those don't value their time" and the somehow worse corollary "macos is like linux but functional"

[-] lil_tank@hexbear.net 9 points 3 months ago* (last edited 3 months ago)

for the computer illiterate.

Except when you have a single little problem, then you need a degree in Apple bullshit to fix it

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[-] CommunistCuddlefish@hexbear.net 22 points 3 months ago

No, MacOS's UI is fantastic!

(Once you install 4 different 3rd party software tools (2 of which require licenses to buy (1 of which is abandoned and doesn't work smoothly on any officially supported Mac OS)) to fix it)

Anyway this is a way of saying yes, stock Mac OS UI is very lacking and also asking, what Linux distro should I try if I like a lot of things about MacOS's UI especially with the trackpad geature control and keyboard shortcuts for window organization and resizing I get from third party applications?

[-] krakenfury 7 points 3 months ago

I dunno what's best for you, that's what's so beautiful about Linux

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[-] AssortedBiscuits@hexbear.net 17 points 3 months ago

Nah, MacOS > Windows for me:

  1. Homebrew > Chocolatey. Yeah, Homebrew doesn't hold a candle to apt/pacman/dnf, but with Homebrew you can install popular programs used in Linux like btop. With Homebrew, you can turn your terminal into something that mostly resembles a Linux terminal. Meanwhile, you're stuck with installing Windows programs like Notepad++ with Chocolatey.

  2. MacOS comes with zsh by default, which is useful because zsh is used by other Unix-likes like Linux and BSD. As of Windows 11, the default shell is Powershell. Unless you really like Powershell, having zsh instead of Powershell is a plus if only because it's also used in other OS.

  3. Spotlight > Windows search. Windows search is trash tier. It's slow and gives you useless shit instead of what you want. And unless they really botched spotlight post-Catalina, spotlight is honestly better than most Linux DE searches. Not as good as the golden standard for searches: KRunner.

For everything else, they both suck and require third-party tools to make them suck less. Windows is only better than MacOS if you're a g*mer.

[-] lengau@midwest.social 9 points 3 months ago

Macos > Windows, but that doesn't mean it's not still garbage.

[-] jackmarxist@hexbear.net 8 points 3 months ago

Spotlight is great. Alfred changed my whole searching game.

[-] FuckyWucky@hexbear.net 14 points 3 months ago* (last edited 3 months ago)

yea, never got why anyone would seek out macos. at least with windows you could run shit on it, i can download whatever repacks i want double click install and run.

windows (and yes, linux) runs on everything no issue everything from $100 mini PCs to 4090 gaming PCs, mac only runs on apple's hardware (yes there is hackintosh but no one but nerds use that shit). same reason why i do not care about Apple Silicon, its not like I can buy it separately.

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[-] cordlesslamp@lemmy.today 14 points 3 months ago

As someone with a MacBook Air M2, the hardwares is top notch, some of the best in the world.

The software however, is complete garbage.

[-] pudcollar@hexbear.net 13 points 3 months ago

MacOS is the OS i only ever use because they make me use it for work and I'm glad it's at least not Windows

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[-] red_stapler@hexbear.net 13 points 3 months ago

The hell are y'all doing with the OS that doesn't involve launching a browser?

[-] hello_hello@hexbear.net 13 points 3 months ago

Hexbear OS when?

[-] AmericaDeserved711@hexbear.net 11 points 3 months ago

The official OS of Hexbear is Red Star OS

[-] krakenfury 8 points 3 months ago

brogramming, dawg

[-] dannoffs@hexbear.net 8 points 3 months ago

Customizing vim mostly.

[-] umbrella@lemmy.ml 12 points 3 months ago

its better than windows. low bar to clear but still.

[-] chickentendrils@hexbear.net 15 points 3 months ago

Better than 11. I'm a Debian head for decades now, only boot windows for occasional rare Adobe or some game that works better there.

MacOS is the worst of all worlds, it's like modern Linux but with some of the obfuscation of the file system out of the box and limitations akin to those imposed in a Windows environment.

[-] krakenfury 12 points 3 months ago

also homebrew sux and blows

[-] neo@hexbear.net 7 points 3 months ago

It ain't THAT bad. Ever since they normalized on installing into /opt/homebrew/ it got a lot better.

[-] fuckwit_mcbumcrumble@lemmy.dbzer0.com 11 points 3 months ago

I'll be honest, I'll take Mac os 10/10 times over Linux on my actual machine.

On a server? Linux 10/10 times. But you can't take my M1 MBP and Mac OS away from me. Nothing comes close to the combo.

[-] TheSpectreOfGay@hexbear.net 11 points 3 months ago

worst thing my abusive ex ever told me was that macos was the best os 😔

[-] propter_hog@hexbear.net 9 points 3 months ago

Absolute truth, and has been since day 1

[-] Procapra@hexbear.net 9 points 3 months ago

The only thing good about macOS is zsh as the default shell.

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[-] GaveUp@hexbear.net 8 points 3 months ago

Agreed but unfortunately it's the only thing that can be used on a machine with the specs and QoL of an m1 air at that price

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[-] Lawn_and_disorder@hexbear.net 7 points 3 months ago

Only reason I am somewhat looking at Apple for my next laptop https://asahilinux.org/

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