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Please stop making Alien movies (www.spectator.co.uk)
submitted 2 months ago by Emperor@feddit.uk to c/movies@lemm.ee

Anyway, Alien: Romulus is the seventh film about these particular monsters. According to the producers, the film takes the franchise ‘back to its roots’. So we get a group of grimy crew-mates piloting a big rust-bucket of a spaceship who pick up an extraterrestrial stowaway and end up having to use their wits and courage to survive as it gobbles them up, one by one.

And it’s not a bad film. It’s nicely creepy, the special effects are good, the acting is perfectly serviceable. In fact, I could give you a normal review of Alien: Romulus, but just writing this is making me feel a little crazy. It’s not a bad film, but it’s also a direct copy of a much better film that already exists. That film is called Alien, and it came out in 1979. It had Sigourney Weaver in it. It hasn’t vanished. If you have a Disney+ subscription or a torrent client, you can watch it tonight. Why have we made it again? What’s the point? Why have we spent the past 45 years – which is longer than I’ve been alive – making seven different versions of the same film? What on Earth is going on?

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[-] vzq@lemmy.blahaj.zone 77 points 2 months ago

Why have we spent the past 45 years – which is longer than I’ve been alive – making seven different versions of the same film?

If you watch Alien, Aliens and Alien3 and come out with the idea that they are “different versions of the same film”, maybe the whole movie critic gig thing isn’t for you. Hell, they are not even the same genre.

[-] 9point6@lemmy.world 17 points 2 months ago

Spectator journalist incapable of perceiving nuance

In other news, the sun rose today

[-] TubularTittyFrog@lemmy.world 9 points 2 months ago

yeah that take is completely absurd.

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[-] itsgroundhogdayagain@lemmy.ml 63 points 2 months ago

Facehuggers are Disney princesses

[-] Drunemeton@lemmy.world 37 points 2 months ago

Since Disney owns the rights to “The Rocky Horror Picture Show” so is…

[-] BigDaddySlim@lemmy.world 10 points 2 months ago

I fully and wholeheartedly support this

[-] Baalial@lemm.ee 7 points 2 months ago

God FUCKING dammit I hate Disney

[-] Mobilityfuture@lemmy.world 6 points 2 months ago

If you watch the new Aliens movie they can kill your wife. Read the ticket!!

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[-] maegul@lemmy.ml 44 points 2 months ago* (last edited 2 months ago)

I mean yes, totally. I haven’t seen it, yet, but will likely be going to the cinema for this one.

But, to just throw an idea out there … covers of and homages to songs are normal and sometimes awesome in music, and fundamental in live music.

So maybe the same isn’t so bad in film, especially if they’re not done badly, as it seems to be here.

Maybe “the problem” is more the lack of properly original works, the copious unashamed cinematic universe slop and faithless reboots?

In the same way that Bond films and Disney films find ways to manifest and apply to each new generation or era, why not other classic forms?

[-] GraniteM@lemmy.world 10 points 2 months ago

The Bond franchise is an interesting one because they've essentially been remaking the exact same movie since Doctor No, and although there are definitely ups and downs, on balance it's still a good franchise! Virtually no continuity. Only occasional meta nods. In essence, every single Bond movie consists of...

  • Bond goes to exotic location

  • Bond engages in romantic shenanigans with one or more partners

  • Bond faces a threat ranging from personal to world-ending

  • Bond is menaced by a villain with some personal quirk

  • Bond engages in a popular extreme sport

  • Bond deals with a number of nameless goons plus at least one ascended chief goon, probably named, with their own particular quirk

  • Bond foils the plans of the bad guy and has an epilogue with a romantic partner

Change some variables, rearrange the furniture a little, but this is basically every single James Bond movie for the last sixty two years, and we still love them! It makes me think that originality is overrated.

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[-] Emperor@feddit.uk 10 points 2 months ago

But, to just throw an idea out there … covers of and homages to songs are normal and sometimes awesome in music, and fundamental in live music.

So maybe the same isn’t so bad in film, especially if they’re not done badly, as it seems to be here.

The film does a lot of things I liked but those call-outs are often so clunky it spoiled what could have been one of the great Alien films (it's still better than most).

[-] echutaaa@sh.itjust.works 7 points 2 months ago

Are we reading the same article? The text was bashing anything that has a scary alien in a rust bucket spaceship killing ppl. The callbacks are corny sure but not the point. To say no one should make a film that puts a xeno in a space ship and have it hunt down ppl anymore because they did that 50 years ago is insane.

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[-] DrSteveBrule@mander.xyz 36 points 2 months ago

I haven't watched the new film yet, but saying that 7 remakes of the first movie have been made is total bullshit.

[-] Telodzrum@lemmy.world 12 points 2 months ago* (last edited 2 months ago)

Yeah … Alien is one of the greatest movies of all time and Aliens is a rare sequel which is almost as good as the original and it does it while switching primary genres from the first. 3 is weaker but is carried by set design and incredible acting.

Honestly, all of the Alien movies that don’t have “Predator” in the title are at worst above average films.

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[-] HeartyOfGlass@lemm.ee 33 points 2 months ago* (last edited 2 months ago)

"Covenant" and "Prometheus" would've been killer movies to kick off a new IP.

I might be the old man shouting at clouds, but I've been turned off to all franchise "reboots". Just sick of rehashes and revisits and the cute little "winks" these movies do to the previous installments. Have an original thought, damn.

[-] TrickDacy@lemmy.world 10 points 2 months ago

The interesting thing is that I almost always hate remakes and reboots, but I love the Alien series. I think Covenant and a couple others were bad but generally they're all still worth watching for me. I really enjoyed Romulus and I loved Prometheus. I do not get all the hate that movie got.

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[-] AsakuraMao@moist.catsweat.com 24 points 2 months ago

What about please stop making BAD Alien movies?

[-] sarcasticsunrise@lemmy.world 10 points 2 months ago* (last edited 2 months ago)

Exactly! Romulus is not without its faults, but damnit if it isn't a worthy follow-up to the first two films.

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[-] mp3@lemmy.ca 19 points 2 months ago

meh, I enjoyed it.

[-] ShinkanTrain@lemmy.ml 16 points 2 months ago* (last edited 2 months ago)

This article would maybe have a point if they hadn't finally released a good Alien movie for the first time in like 30 or 40 years.

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[-] beefbot@lemmy.blahaj.zone 15 points 2 months ago
[-] beefbot@lemmy.blahaj.zone 8 points 2 months ago

Also capitalism: We’re threatening a lawsuit for even saying that because we can, and you can’t afford the legal fees

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[-] AnonStoleMyPants@sopuli.xyz 15 points 2 months ago

Nonono.

I like alien movies.

Moar please. Just not sucky ones.

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[-] dohpaz42@lemmy.world 15 points 2 months ago* (last edited 2 months ago)

What’s the point?

Um, same point as any franchise or reboot or remake: money. It’s easy too. Story is already there in one form or another; just add a few modern tweaks. You get the nostalgia kick from the original fans, and you get a boost from the younger fans who have heard all of the hyper from the OG fans. People have short term memories, so they get to rinse and repeat every few years.

Edit: for example… 🙄

[-] OpenStars@discuss.online 8 points 2 months ago

Hey, I have an idea, let's make another Spiderman/Batman/nope not going to continue this even as a joke...

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[-] bulwark@lemmy.world 14 points 2 months ago

Haven't seen it yet, but if it's got xenomorphs I'm in. I like all the Alien movies, even the "bad" ones like 3 and 4. I even liked the original aliens vs predators.

[-] Emperor@feddit.uk 9 points 2 months ago

Then you'll love this!

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[-] TrickDacy@lemmy.world 13 points 2 months ago

Couldn't disagree more. I loved this movie. I could critique aspects of it, but it was fucking stellar overall.

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[-] Professorozone@lemmy.world 12 points 2 months ago

I'm so surprised at how much people liked this movie. I thought it sucked out loud. Alien and Aliens FTW!

[-] sarcasticsunrise@lemmy.world 7 points 2 months ago

This movie was overall damn good, brother those first two are such a high bar that is impossible to clear let's be real

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[-] fox2263@lemmy.world 11 points 2 months ago

That’s like, just your opinion man.

I for one enjoyed Romulus and want to see more. Give me more.

[-] realcaseyrollins@thelemmy.club 11 points 2 months ago

The problem is, Alien: Romulus was pretty good. It gives the original a run for its money in my opinion.

[-] sarcasticsunrise@lemmy.world 11 points 2 months ago

No. Keep making them because Alien: Romulus was fuckin rad. It didn't reinvent the wheel, I got kind of annoyed with the callbacks towards the middle/end part of the movie, but I want to see it again, if not in the theater I'll rent it on streaming. It's the 3rd best Alien movie imo, that's high praise for such a robust franchise. Anyway, the writer of this article is an industry hack, Furiosa is great too. I'm out 🤟

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[-] UKFilmNerd@feddit.uk 11 points 2 months ago

Romulus would be better without the callbacks to the first two films. One character in particular I wish was someone else entirely. Also, I didn't like the ending as it tied into Prometheus/Covenant, my least favourite of the Alien franchise.

I feel Alien has gone the way of Star Wars which keeps linking to the Skywalker's. Let Alien break free of the Ripley verse (She's even in Romulus as a well hidden Easter Egg!) and do something different. The comics have had excellent stories over the years, adapt one of those.

One of my favourites is Aliens: Labyrinth which is about a crazy scientist on a deep space station who has successfully got the alien species under control. His backstory is quite something and you know it will go wrong in the end.

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[-] Nakoichi@hexbear.net 10 points 2 months ago

Counterpoint: please make another actually good work in the universe.

I have my fingers crossed for the HBO (I think) series set to release next year.

[-] CaptPretentious@lemmy.world 9 points 2 months ago

Remember when they re-released Star Wars episode 4 in 2015...

There are no new ideas. Just new talent to play old roles.

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[-] stebo02@lemmy.dbzer0.com 9 points 2 months ago

bro just stop watching alien movies it's that simple

[-] tabularasa@lemmy.ca 7 points 2 months ago

Nothing wrong with watching it. Just don't PAY for it.

[-] CheeseNoodle@lemmy.world 8 points 2 months ago

Yes make aliens mini-series instead. The comics used to release in anuals that would tell a complete arc wether that be about the destruction of a floating research station on a jungle planet after the hunters turned it into an alien hunting world, the fall of earth or refugees stumbling upon an insane scientist trying to domesticate the damn things. Any one of those anuals would make a fantastic basis for say a 12 episode mini-series.

[-] CluelessLemmyng 7 points 2 months ago

I just want another Aliens vs Predator video game. Those 3-way multiplayer matches were so fun.

[-] Evilsandwichman@hexbear.net 7 points 2 months ago

But....I liked Prometheus and its sequel....

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[-] addictedtochaos@lemm.ee 7 points 2 months ago

reason is that historically and statisticwise, sequels make more money then original movies. so there you have it.

[-] TubularTittyFrog@lemmy.world 7 points 2 months ago

Surprised no one in this thread has yet mentioned how this movie very much parallels Alien: Isolation and the huge success that game had by being so consistent with the premise of the first movie.

[-] yogsototh@programming.dev 7 points 2 months ago

saw it, and I went put with the idea that it was an Alien movie whose target audience was young people that didn’t see the first alien movie.

I still prefer the original first alien movie. Like a lot, but this one is pretty decent. It was like a “netflix remake” with lots of copy/paste from the original movie. Some sentences are exactly copied, some scenes greatly copied and modernized for 2024 eyes.

The main differences that make the first Alien movie superior (to me at least). In this latest movie there is no “mother sound” in the original Alien the spaceship appear to breathe and live with a constant sound that really put you into the “Alien mood”.

Sigourney Weaver. Both her role and her acting were incredible. That is just decent in this new movie.

Critic about megacorps is visible in this new movie, but felt even more terrible in the older one IMHO.

Still, there are a few things not present in the original movie in this one that are a bit nice. The relation with the androids, some great action scenes. But that’s about it. If you love the alien universe it is a pretty decent Alien. If the first Alien is a 9/10 movie I would give this one a 7/10.

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