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submitted 3 months ago by geekwithsoul@lemm.ee to c/politics@lemmy.world

“Federal Election Commission records show Stein paid $100,000 in July to a consulting outfit that has worked with Republican campaigns, as well as Robert F. Kennedy Jr.’s independent presidential bid. The firm, Accelevate, is operated by Trent Pool. The Intercept reported that he appeared to be part of the mob that breached the grounds of the U.S. Capitol on Jan. 6., 2021. The Journal hasn’t independently verified the reporting.”

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[-] vzq@lemmy.blahaj.zone 102 points 3 months ago

And not just republicans. You can find all stripes of accelerationist crazies doing that on this very website.

[-] agamemnonymous@sh.itjust.works 9 points 3 months ago

We must bring about glorious revolution, even if our methods aren't particularly effective and millions suffer.

[-] immutable@lemm.ee 23 points 3 months ago* (last edited 3 months ago)

No you see they have a plan.

  1. Convince people likely to vote for Harris to throw away their votes by voting 3rd party or staying home
  2. Suppress democratic turnout while leaving Republican turnout untouched.
  3. Spoil the election while haughtily going “oh not voting is a vote for trump somehow” and snorting to themselves. Completely blind to context.
  4. Have the things they claim to really super duper care about like genocide in Palestine continue under trump
  5. Also have vulnerable groups in America, like legal Haitian migrants, be the target of Republican vitriol.
  6. (step missing)
  7. Glorious proletariat revolution against the most powerful military and militarized police force to ever exist

Its brilliance is in its simplicity!

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[-] InverseParallax@lemmy.world 63 points 3 months ago* (last edited 3 months ago)

This is the hilarious tragedy of the Democratic party:

If the race is close, then the electoral college, courts and other methods can be used to bump things to the GOP (2000).

If the race isn't that close, then people will feel comfortable voting third party to "make a statement", which can cost enough votes in key states to cost the election (2016).

[-] geekwithsoul@lemm.ee 36 points 3 months ago

I mean, in 2016 Dems still handily won the popular vote, so it was still the electoral college as the ultimate problem, and third parties were only contributing factors.

In addition to just being a good idea, getting rid of the electoral college would be good because we’d never have to hear about meaningless third-party candidates acting as spoilers. They’d either be real contenders or just narcissists like Jill Stein.

[-] MrMakabar@slrpnk.net 13 points 3 months ago* (last edited 3 months ago)

Getting rid of the electoral college would not solve spoiler candidates necessarily. For that you would need to replace it with ranked voting or multiple rounds. Would still be a good idea, as the college just means presidents caring a lot more about swing states.

[-] geekwithsoul@lemm.ee 18 points 3 months ago

Without the electoral college though, the only time a third party candidate could act as a spoiler would be if they had a significant share of the vote. They deserve to be spoilers in those cases I think. My problem is with folks pulling in 1% - 3% of the vote in a single state ultimately deciding a national election.

But yeah, RCV would be the best way to ensure better representation (though honestly it can still easily have what could be viewed as “spoilers”)

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[-] Soup@lemmy.cafe 52 points 3 months ago* (last edited 3 months ago)

Haven’t we all known this about Shill Stein for a very long time, or are we supposed to pretend it’s a big shocking reveal so the leftists can feel better about being duped?

[-] morphballganon@lemmynsfw.com 25 points 3 months ago

The people duped by Stein are not the people who call themselves leftists.

[-] agamemnonymous@sh.itjust.works 3 points 3 months ago

On the contrary, many that call themselves leftists have been thoroughly duped. Or they're all bad faith actors, but I try to never attribute to malice that which can be sufficiently explained by incompetence.

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[-] chemical_cutthroat@lemmy.world 28 points 3 months ago

No! Come on, everyone! Third party candidates are what's best for the country. We aren't doing this to dilute the vote, we just want to have our voices heard. Sure, everything we are saying is being said by the main two parties, but we also smoke a lot of weed. So, come on, guys, just vote for the Green Party.

[-] RegalPotoo@lemmy.world 25 points 3 months ago

I vote Green.

Because I live in a country with an actual proportional representation system, so my vote for a minor party still allows the major party that I most closely align with to gain power

[-] TachyonTele@lemm.ee 23 points 3 months ago

That has no barring on the Green Party this post is about. They are not the same just because they share a name.

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[-] chemical_cutthroat@lemmy.world 15 points 3 months ago

And I couldn't be more happy for you.

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[-] GBU_28@lemm.ee 4 points 3 months ago

Whoop di do, who gives a fuck?

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[-] JaymesRS@literature.cafe 25 points 2 months ago
[-] geekwithsoul@lemm.ee 3 points 2 months ago

If it hasn’t been posted there already, you should post this to !politicalmemes@lemmy.world!

[-] JaymesRS@literature.cafe 4 points 2 months ago* (last edited 2 months ago)

Done. I looked for that community and missed it the other day. ¯\(ツ)/¯.

[-] Spitzspot@lemmings.world 20 points 3 months ago

Putin's party supports Putin's hand pick spoiler candidate.

[-] archomrade@midwest.social 14 points 2 months ago

Wait so she is just using a consultancy firm that has previously worked with republicans? Is that the story here?

[-] pachrist@lemmy.world 8 points 2 months ago

Sort of. She also has some Russian ties.

While I don't think she is some kind of Soviet black ops plant, she's secured funding many times by less savory means. That does mean the things she says and does require a little extra thought though.

I do wish it wasn't part of the "assassinate the left, cozy towards center" mentality that democrats are embracing.

[-] Doom@ttrpg.network 7 points 2 months ago

Yes as much as I don't like Stein nor will I vote for her I feel the splurge of news on her is mediocre at best and very obviously being paid for.

She's not done anything to warrant the scrutiny she literally hasn't done ANYTHING at all. Why am I hearing about her so much?

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[-] YeetPics@mander.xyz 7 points 2 months ago

Weird how Republican interest is a 100% match to tankie talking points. So super weird and beyond explanation.

There is no way they're the same folks, that would be insane 👌

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[-] ravhall@discuss.online 7 points 3 months ago
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