Robert Jenrick, from the little I know - this couldn’t have been a worse result. Are the Tories now a far-right party then? (lemmy.world)

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I admit I haven’t paid a lot of attention to the leadership contest. But when it got down to the last 4, I read a brief description of each of the cunts.

James Cleverly seemed like the least bad option.

Not only is Robert Jenrick far-right, he is also fashionably far-right. What I mean by that is that he seems to have leaned to the far-right because it seems to be a popular position at the moment.

A bit like Boris. Writing two essays for and against Brexit.

Now I’m not against immigration, but I think it’s a bit of a fucking joke that the former IMMIGRATION minister should be the one in charge of a far right, anti-immigration movement. Like wasn’t that your job? And didn’t immigration keep going up under you? To record levels?

He’s also (unsurprisingly I suppose) in favour of Farrage joining the party. Although I suspect he may be looking to Nick his job if he does get in. He could Robert straight from under his feet.

So are the Tories officially a far right party now then? It definitely seems like it. And this is really dangerous. I mean it’s dangerous if they get in for obvious reasons but even when they’re not in power, it’s still moving the Overton window (that Corbyn really helped to move left) further to the right.

Giving Labour absolutely no excuse to move further left than they currently are. Which they definitely need to do in my opinion.

The Tories look to have become Reform UK and Labour are somewhere around Cameron style conservatism.

What do you guys think? Am I wrong? Is there anything that might make me a little more optimistic about the future? Anything positive that might come out of this? Cos I can’t see it currently.

I wonder what the Lib Dem’s are doing these days. I really haven’t paid attention to them since the coalition (although did tactically vote for them this past election).

But I haven’t had any strong left wing vibes off them like I used to get. Vibes lol. Sound like a moron but ye know what I meaaaaaan. The Greens for instance I also don’t pay attention to, yet I know from “vibes” in reality probably various news, that they are decently far left.

But then I’ve liked the greens forever really. It’s just they don’t stand a chance of winning. But I do wonder how many other people are like me? I suspect any previous Corbyn supporters are.

It’s like maybe if we all actually voted for who we really wanted then it might actually get them elected.

Labour really need to take this opportunity to change to PR. But you know they won’t. I mean French style PR anyway. To hopefully keep out the likes of Retarded UK and their cult members.

But yeah, what say ya’ll, as the yanks say?

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[-] i_am_not_a_robot@feddit.uk 7 points 3 months ago

The Lib Dems are looking to move into the centrist space vacated by the Tories. They are relishing the Tories moving so far right they aren't in the picture anymore.

[-] Oxymoron@lemmy.world 7 points 3 months ago

Tories were never centre though. They were right wing. Then they were more right wing, now they’re far right. In the order of Cameron, Boris and that new cunt.

[-] Baggins@feddit.uk 1 points 3 months ago

Which new one? There's a few to pick from.

[-] echodot@feddit.uk 1 points 3 months ago

Historically they were a center right party. They've moved progressively more and more right in recent decades but I'm old enough to remember when they were basically okay. They were never all that good, but they did at least have a few social policies and sensible immigration policies, that weren't just, ban or brown people.

They used to be all about small government and letting people get on with their lives, which wasn't very helpful for people who needed support, but for everybody else it was okay. At least they funded the damn police.

Now they don't even have coherent policies anymore, and actively seem to make everyone's lives worse (Brexit), unless they're in the upper 1%.

[-] SubArcticTundra@lemmy.ml 1 points 3 months ago

At what point did Big Money corrupt them? And what could have been done to stop it?

[-] MrScottyTay@sh.itjust.works 3 points 3 months ago* (last edited 3 months ago)

To me it feels like lib dems went more left than labour and labour are now centrist

[-] OhNoMoreLemmy@lemmy.ml 2 points 3 months ago

It's probably easiest to ignore what lib Dems say because they're don't have to put out a coherent policy platform, because no one expects them to be in power.

Instead look at the seats they want to win. Their plan has always been to mop up Tory votes in places that can't bring themselves to vote labour.

It puts them firmly in the middle between the torries and labour. It's also why e.g. they played down rejoining the EU at the last election. It might be their official stance, but it doesn't play well in the rural Tory seats they're targeting.

[-] Oxymoron@lemmy.world 1 points 3 months ago

Really? Lib Dem’s back in clegg days when I voted for them were always more left than Labour. But I felt like they’d moved further right in more recent years. I suppose the most left thing they did was the calling for another referendum. Probably I need to actually look into them a bit more though cos my info is very out dated Nd you and this guy are basically saying opposite things lol.

I don’t think the Tories were centre though. They were always right wing. It’s a case of who you compare them to. But America are just an anomaly IMO. And they’re one country. If we compare to Europe, then Tories have always been right wing. But certainly further right in recent years and now apparently far right.

Labour, I would say are centre. Greens left. Lib Dem’s who the fuck knows. I thought probably centre but I dunno shit, jackkk.

[-] futatorius@lemm.ee 2 points 2 months ago

Lib Dem’s back in clegg days when I voted for them were always more left than Labour.

And yet they went into coalition with the Tories.

[-] MrScottyTay@sh.itjust.works 2 points 3 months ago* (last edited 3 months ago)

It's more a statement on how much labour are leaning right than it is about the lib Dems to be honest.

[-] i_am_not_a_robot@feddit.uk 2 points 3 months ago

Yeah, Tories were never centre, but they were closer to that than in recent years where they've been steadily cruising over to the far right.

The Lib Dems described themselves as centre (or filling that space), but I can't find the article right now. I'd also say more centre-left.

[-] echodot@feddit.uk 2 points 3 months ago* (last edited 3 months ago)

I think it’s a bit of a fucking joke that the former IMMIGRATION minister should be the one in charge of a far right, anti-immigration movement. Like wasn’t that your job? And didn’t immigration keep going up under you? To record levels?

Apparently his excuse for this is that he was under the evil lefty liberal Rishi, and so could not implement his totally sane, well thought out and fully costed, workable policies.

So because the conservative party has now basically become the right-wing lunatic party they accept this weak arse justification, and consider him to be a viable leader.

It doesn't really matter though, thanks to Labour's "super majority" (which isn't even a thing under our system, but the Tories say it anyway because they've been infected by Americanisms) we can basically ignore everything they say. Just how the conservatives ignored everything labour said in the last parliament.

[-] SubArcticTundra@lemmy.ml 1 points 3 months ago

The Greens were the runners up (ie. main alternative) in quite a few constituencies this year. If they split the vote at the next election like Reform did this year, it might force Labour to move left again.

I voted for them for just this purpose

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