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[-] kbal@fedia.io 165 points 1 month ago

The discourse about Mozilla is ridiculous, here and most everywhere. You've got people taking every perceived opportunity to attack them for things they do, things they didn't do, and things it's imagined they might've done. And then another crowd of equally determined people doggedly defending them for every idiotic blunder they make, such as this one.

Meanwhile Mozilla itself has nothing substantial to say. This is not the first time a prominent extension has mysteriously gone missing from amo with Mozilla telling us nothing about its role in the incident. @mozilla@mozilla.social needs to be in the discussion giving us a real explanation of what happened, why they got it wrong, and what they're doing to improve things.

[-] isVeryLoud@lemmy.ca 55 points 1 month ago

Correct, this two-sided discourse is due to a massive lack of communication on Mozilla's part, leaving room for speculation.

[-] abbenm@lemmy.ml 12 points 1 month ago

The best I can think of is that the explainer language used to justify the extension's removal was just boilerplate language that got copy+pasted here because someone clicked the wrong button. But even that makes a mockery of the review process.

I think "oops clicked wrong button" would be slightly more defensible, but not by much. If they truly rejected the extension for content in it that it does not have, it's hard to see how a human could make that mistake even accidentally. But maybe there's something I'm missing.

[-] blurg@lemmy.world 7 points 1 month ago

True in a way. However, there is a rather large collection of speculation on the Internet that is quite an undertaking to correct. And a large population of people and bots willing to speculate. Also, having once been speculated, each speculation takes on a life of its own. If it gets much more substantial, forget Skynet, we're busy creating Specunet and its sidekick Confusionet -- an insidious duo.

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[-] jol@discuss.tchncs.de 36 points 1 month ago

We have collectively agreed that Mozilla is a) not reviewing extentions enough, and b) reviewing too much.

[-] featured@lemmygrad.ml 22 points 1 month ago

Mozilla.social no longer exists, Mozilla took it down

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[-] slazer2au@lemmy.world 97 points 1 month ago

Oh so ublock origin lite. A manifest V3 compatible adblocker for chromium browsers.
The original ublock origin is unaffected

[-] abbenm@lemmy.ml 12 points 1 month ago

Firefox will be adopting Manifest V3, but a modded version that enables ad blocking.

[-] turkalino@lemmy.yachts 5 points 1 month ago

But they’re also not ditching v2, correct?

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[-] vintageballs@feddit.org 67 points 1 month ago

Probably due to automatic extension reviews by Mozilla.

Sad that it happened, but at least it doesn't impact the actual uBlock, only the lite version for which I honestly see no purpose in Firefox anyways.

[-] Virkkunen@fedia.io 78 points 1 month ago

It was a manual review conducted by an actual person that in the end admitted they were wrong

[-] vintageballs@feddit.org 27 points 1 month ago
[-] Buddahriffic@lemmy.world 6 points 1 month ago

Agreed. Especially considering uBlock origin is pretty much the main reason to use FF at all. They shouldn't be delegating reviews of it to someone who would fuck up this badly.

Assuming this wasn't a "test the waters" kind of thing to determine just how much they were reliant on ublock.

I've been using the main FF build for a while now but I'm wondering if I should start looking at the various fork options.

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[-] 0x0@programming.dev 11 points 1 month ago

I honestly see no purpose in

It's to circumvent ManifestV3.

[-] Neon@lemmy.world 11 points 1 month ago

Manifest v2 still works on Firefox, so OP was right, it's useless

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[-] obinice@lemmy.world 9 points 1 month ago

I thought that was the shit Chrome was doing to block adblockers and antimalware plugins, if Firefox is doing the same thing what browser do we use now? :-(

I don't care about all the browser wars stuff, I lost interest when it was Netscape Vs IE, I just want a browser that I can configure fully myself and have it be as safe and secure as one can make it, within reason.

[-] ilinamorato@lemmy.world 10 points 1 month ago

Firefox is not eliminating MV2 extensions. You can stick with Firefox.

[-] pmk 5 points 1 month ago

If we want to do something radically different, there's always gopher and gemini browsers.

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[-] Lets_Eat_Grandma@lemm.ee 56 points 1 month ago* (last edited 1 month ago)

Mozilla isn't google. They took it back and encouraged the guy to reach out in the future if any issues arise.

BFD, it's not like they banned his account, just one gimped extension that doesn't do the whole ad blocking experience and even then only because he didn't do anything to try and reverse it. Then after it's restored he throws his tantrum and removes it.

With all the extensions out there false positive detections of malicious apps are going to happen. Nobody has unlimited resources to hire boatloads of devs to review every single line of code of every extension for every update done. That's an insane expectation.

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[-] Xiisadaddy@lemmygrad.ml 55 points 1 month ago* (last edited 1 month ago)

That poor dev is just getting so much shit thrown their way constantly having a short temper about it makes sense. They are fighting against an entire industry to make the internet usable for people. I hope everyone who has the means to donates to support the ~~developer~~

Edit: donate to block list maintainers thanks to lemmyvore below for the correction

[-] lemmyvore@feddit.nl 42 points 1 month ago

The dev has not made available any means to donate to him directly. He asks that people donate to the maintainers of the block lists instead.

[-] Xiisadaddy@lemmygrad.ml 10 points 1 month ago

thank you i updated my comment

[-] data1701d@startrek.website 42 points 1 month ago

I almost had a panic attack until I realized this was for UBlock Origin Lite rather than the normal, manifest v2 version. Still mad at Mozilla,though.

[-] UnfortunateShort@lemmy.world 40 points 1 month ago* (last edited 1 month ago)

This is more likely someone fucking up and not having a second pair of eyes look at the presumed problem than anything else.

[-] mindbleach@sh.itjust.works 37 points 1 month ago* (last edited 1 month ago)

There's a dozen Firefox extensions that really matter, at any given time. Mozilla has never appeared to give a particular shit about any of them. Paying special attention based on popularity wouldn't be ideal, but for fuck's sake, their passive-aggressive treatment keeps burning out the developers who fuel their ecosystem, and it would take vanishingly little effort to shield their keystone plugins.

If their active neglect had ruined both uBlock and DownThemAll - I'm not sure I'd be using Firefox anymore, and I've been using Firefox since before it was called Firefox. Why the fuck would anyone normal even consider it?

[-] BigDanishGuy@sh.itjust.works 12 points 1 month ago

DownThemAll is one of those extensions which get installed immediately for me. If I didn't have DownThemAll and uBlock origin, I'd might as well just use edge smh

[-] mindbleach@sh.itjust.works 13 points 1 month ago* (last edited 1 month ago)

And the author spent a year hassling Mozilla about how killing XUL plugins would make his wildly popular plugin nearly impossible. Did they move one iota to help that? Nope. Did they adopt DTA functionality natively, like they'd absorbed Pocket? Did they fuck. Their mantra for two straight decades has been "just rewrite!" and they cannot imagine why they kept hemorrhaging devs and plugins and users once Chrome slimed its way into everyone's options.

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[-] brianary@startrek.website 29 points 1 month ago

As I've said elsewhere: I wonder what controls Mozilla has in place to prevent gradual takeover of their board by those with an interest in removing Firefox as a competitor. We've watched the sleeper cell in the Supreme Court transform that body into an illegitimate partisan puppet. Mozilla's actions over the last few years would make much more sense if it were being manipulated into self destruction.

[-] Findmysec@infosec.pub 29 points 1 month ago

This one is completely on Mozilla. TBH I'm not very happy with their governance either. Stop spending money on bullshit and start working on the damn browser. Stop hassling devs like him who have had an immense contribution to not only open source, but your fucking browser's usage metrics.

I wish another browser standard comes up and we can say goodbye to this google-infested shit-bucket that is mozilla.

[-] Evil_Shrubbery@lemm.ee 25 points 1 month ago

Ok, but "google-infested shit-buckets" are also Chrome and all the chromium poop cups, even more so one might say.

Not disagreeing, especially with the sad sentiment of what's happening at Mozilla, just trying to keep in mind the other 95% of the browser picture.

[-] Findmysec@infosec.pub 13 points 1 month ago

Which is why I'd like to see a third player. I don't use Chrome except for ungoogled chromium when the other browsers are tied up

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[-] boredsquirrel@slrpnk.net 14 points 1 month ago

I dont get why you would run that on Firefox. Users will find the corrent one, all good.

Btw is the uBlock without Origin addon still there?

[-] fish@feddit.uk 9 points 1 month ago

That's a real bummer about Mozilla and uBlock Origin clashing. It's weird 'cause their values seem pretty aligned with privacy and user control. Hopefully they can smooth things out soon—users like us just want our browsing to be smooth and ad-free!

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