How dare you link spaghetti with fascism?
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Have you ever shared a kitchen with an italian?
Oh god, the flashbacks. that motherfucker would set up camp in the goddamn kitchen all fucking night, and talk to his mother for multiple hours.
"let me get some healthy eating done, oh no wait, the italian shithead I live with has occupied the kitchen territories and won't fucking stop until 1am when he and his shitty gf are going to get into yet anotehr fucking argument"
I should have called the fucking cops on his fucking ass.
It's a good thing for the British people that the cameras were rolling
Well...
Fasces (/ˈfæsiːz/ FASS-eez, Latin: [ˈfaskeːs]; a plurale tantum, from the Latin word fascis, meaning 'bundle'; Italian: fascio littorio) is a bound bundle of wooden rods, often but not always including an axe
Sounds like a bound bundle of spaghetti with an axe in the middle would be awfully close to a fasces
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What about the entire Rome thing?
They covered it: slave economy, crony merchantislism, private armies and sections of the government, a "private and public partnership" and an untouchable ruling class and a master race (roman citizens).
Its not a coincidence that both facsism and City-state sized capitalism were all founded in Italy.
Greece pioneered a lot of that.
Well, if we take away from Rome the things they stole from Greece, there won't be anything left.
More seriously though, I mean to the scale that they did and enforcing it on such a large area of the world for so long providing the cultural space for those to develop but I agree, you're right to mention that.
Not you, I don't know anything about you, but its funny that ill usually see people being unhappy about the origin of capitalism part but none, not one of those who don't like it want to know the origins of capitalism. People who are anti capitalist are often curious but the boot licking lot aren't remotely interested.
Which, to me, says it all really.
In history, first entrepreneurs were christians.. Christianity if not started capitalism, facilitated its development.
Things like "you gotta marry and have kids", gender inequality, are all principles that go hand in hand in capitalism.
The original Romans weren't too far removed from Greek people, both in geography and ancestry. They're both Indo-European, and as such shared a lot of the religion and had somewhat similar languages. And Greek people had been settling and colonizing the east coast of Italy for some centuries before rome really got rolling. I think it's fairer to say they translated a lot of what Greece had going on than just adopted it.
If you look to early Roman history, you can see they straight up lost their shit when confronted with a culture that was totally foreign to them. See the punic wars and the salting of Carthage.
but its funny that ill usually see people being unhappy about the origin of capitalism part but none, not one of those who don't like it want to know the origins of capitalism. People who are anti capitalist are often curious but the boot licking lot aren't remotely interested.
Well, that's nice and all, but maybe you should take a breath now and then.
I know we're all in an oppressive capitalist system, but sometimes, people speak if something else.
Like when you talk about that cake you made, it's not necessarily a metaphor for the crushing of the proletariat, you know?
Its ok, I'm using my keyboard to type. So, my breathing isn't really a factor here. Although, I'm sure it sounded clever when you heard someone else say it and decided to repeat it the first chance you got, regardless of how out of place it might be.
My point, which you seem to have missed or chosen to ignore, is that there seems to be a mental barrier in place for pro-capitalist people. They take no interest in its origin ever. Yhe problem is that people don't take interest in it all the time and to the exclusion of talking about anything else which is why I didn't say that and, instead, said something different.
Fascism was literally inspired from Ancient Rome.
Same place same people, ancestors of about a third of 20th Century Italians.
And every time you add cream to a carbonara, you can count on people from the country that invented fascism to complain about cultural purity.
Oddly enough, they’re also the country that invented adding cream to carbonara.
That's the hilarious part. Italy is not freaking singular place. It's like saying you're doing some regional dish wrong from the US when you live 3 states away from where that regional dish was created.
I've seen one Italian person correct another Italian person on how they weren't making the sauce "traditionally". Turns out both of them were making it it the traditional way to where they live.
Then the original person that was whining claimed that there's was the right way because the original bolognese sauce was invented in Bologna.
They can't even agree that there's going to be internal variations on a regional dish.
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Pasta is just messing up Asian noodles and making it their national identity.
That's a myth. There have been proto-pasta back in Etruscan days.
Sort of. The proto-pasta was either a sort of flatbread ravioli, or there was a dish that was kind of similar to lasagna.
There was nothing like noodles until they came along the silk road from China. Which took something like 2000 years.
Mmmm proto pasta
Italians taking noodles from Asia and tomatoes from South America to make their new national identity
Pizza?
Pizza too
Just questioning and not the person you're talking to, but what are the origins of capitalism and it's alternatives?
Trade has always been a thing but look up "wealth of nations" and "das kapital" on wiki and go from there.