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[-] ininewcrow@lemmy.ca 243 points 7 hours ago* (last edited 5 hours ago)

We are the bridge generation.

We know and saw a world without the internet and we experienced it when it first came to be.

We saw the first mass produced computers and computer devices which broke often, didn't work the way we wanted them to, they weren't fast and they didn't have much memory in any way. We were the first generation to see all this. Our parents were too old and busy to figure it out but we were young enough to be curious about it all. We also kept wanting to have the newest fastest hardware and software so we had no choice but to either buy, beg or steal these things to get them. We learned to swap parts, add parts, remove parts, install an OS, uninstall the OS, run backups, store data and learn it all on our own because there was no easy internet social media community to help you. Software was constantly changing and we had to keep up by either buying expensive titles or we learned about Linux and open source software or we became digital pirates or both.

Now the digital landscape has changed. Younger generations prefer handheld devices so to them everything is solid state ... they never can imagine changing the RAM, HDD, SSD, CPU, GPU or the PSU or even bothering to learn what those things are. Because everything is built in and no one (or very few) people bother with fixing or tinkering with anything. There are fewer people who learn about software and about how or where to find it, install it, configure it and run it. To new generations who only know the digital world through locked devices, there was less incentive to learn or even have access to know how these things worked.

We are the bridge generation. We got to see the world without the internet and the world with one. No one before us got to see what we saw, no one after us will experience what we went through. Our civilization dramatically changed during our lifetime and we got a front row seat.

[-] AngryCommieKender@lemmy.world 56 points 6 hours ago

We got to live in the most interesting times in history, so far. Most of us are depressed for it.

[-] RamblingPanda@lemmynsfw.com 43 points 7 hours ago

The PSU is the only thing you can change easily. I love that everything is USB-C and that I can plug in everything, everywhere.

But I'm kind of happy everyone uses handhelds, I got really tired fixing everything for my entire family and friends.

"My printer seems to be defectiv..."

Entschuldige, ich kann kein Englisch. Muss weg, keine Zeit. Bye!

[-] Sammy@lemmy.dbzer0.com 28 points 7 hours ago

I work in Tech and this is my mantra: printers are Of the Devil.

[-] PM_Your_Nudes_Please@lemmy.world 16 points 6 hours ago

My buddy worked tech support for a fairly large facility. They got tired of getting calls for a busted printer, only to walk all the way across the facility to discover it was out of paper. It got to the point that if someone called about a printer, they would wait an hour before responding. If nobody else called within that hour, they assumed the issue was resolved on its own.

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[-] Soup@lemmy.world 7 points 5 hours ago

It’s like all the old geezers who cum into carbeurators but like, shouldn’t they be happy that fuel-injection is a million times better and more reliable? I work on my own car and I can handle that shit in my driveway easy but these people seem to want more work to do. Yes, Fred, carbs make more sense for dirtbikes but oh my god otherwise shut up.

As for printers yea what the fuck. They all work differently even within the same company when all they need to do is take the exact same control module, maybe two versions of it, and slap it onto different bodies. But, instead, it’s just a giant fucking mess.

[-] Thrillhouse@lemmy.world 24 points 6 hours ago

My 13 y o niece had no idea how to uninstall a program on a PC. I was a little stunned.

[-] AngryCommieKender@lemmy.world 9 points 6 hours ago

I'm reasonably certain that all four of my housemates, (58 y/o +) don't have any idea how to close a program either on their laptops, or their phones. Thankfully I'm the only desktop guardian.

[-] Twitches@lemm.ee 8 points 6 hours ago

Very eloquently put.

[-] Nurse_Robot@lemmy.world 22 points 7 hours ago

Great write up

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[-] Kazumara@discuss.tchncs.de 13 points 4 hours ago

The weird bit is that our parent's generation is also the one that build the damn things in the first place!

[-] count_dongulus@lemmy.world 19 points 5 hours ago

I'm glad that many kids are into PC gaming, at least. That's still a decent vector into computer proficiency and a little hardware knowledge.

[-] Zanz@lemmy.world 2 points 3 hours ago

I'm not sure how many kids will be into PC gaming when a low end Nvidia gpu is currently $550. I know that everything comes pre overclocked, and the 4070s still a good card even though it's got a low and die in it it's just depressing in the principle of it.

Maybe things like the steam deck will push kids into Linux since the mid-range gaming desktop is like two grand now.

[-] andxz@lemmy.world 3 points 3 hours ago

I built a decent rig at the time 2 years ago for a 10 year old for less than 600€. Sure, some parts were used and it's obviously no monster but he's still using it daily. He's learning how to upgrade it every time I have money for it, too.

You don't have to buy all new Nvidia GPUs for $550 a piece to play games, ya know?

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[-] UncleGrandPa@lemmy.world 6 points 4 hours ago

Kind of. Those who were the first needed to know how computers did what they did... Because so often they didn't ...

Now your computers work without you needing to know how they do it Most are happy it simply works

[-] themeatbridge@lemmy.world 46 points 7 hours ago* (last edited 7 hours ago)

Our parents didn't think it was important. Our kids don't think it is necessary.

Imagine how horse farmers felt about engine maintenance on the first automobiles. Early adopters probably knew everything about how to fix tractors and cars. But today, how many people know how to change their own brakes or flush the coolant?

Life evolves, and transitions come faster with every generation. It's good that nobody knows how to use a sextant or a fax machine.

[-] jaybone@lemmy.world 4 points 3 hours ago

I still know how to use a fax machine :(

[-] The_Picard_Maneuver@lemmy.world 25 points 7 hours ago

or a fax machine

Healthcare industry is crying in the corner

[-] variants@possumpat.io 9 points 6 hours ago

I'm still mad we print so much stuff at work, it's 2024 just update a spread sheet. I don't need an email much less a physical copy of something I saw the update for an hour ago

[-] henfredemars@infosec.pub 2 points 3 hours ago

I had to print out a PDF the other day because the software wouldn’t let me sign it, and then scan the document back into the computer.

[-] ech@lemm.ee 3 points 4 hours ago

It's certainly partially that, but that's not the whole picture. Before, every old thing "everyone" knew how to do was replaced with a new thing "everyone" knew how to do. But at the moment, is there a new thing? I can't think of one. All but the most niche products are built to be as easy to use as possible, and if it breaks or slows down, replacement is more preferred than tinkering. I don't see the same need anywhere to get our hands dirty that leads to widespread proficiency like the image is talking about.

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[-] unexposedhazard@discuss.tchncs.de 66 points 8 hours ago
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[-] shonn@lemmy.world 44 points 7 hours ago

The next generation doesn't know how to use a mouse because they do everything on the phone. And yes, I have met people like that.

[-] PM_Your_Nudes_Please@lemmy.world 12 points 6 hours ago* (last edited 6 hours ago)

Relevant clip from a gaming industry veteran. Kids don’t even know how to use game controllers, because they have only ever played phone or tablet games.

[-] morrowind@lemmy.ml 3 points 3 hours ago

Most of the world doesn't know how to use game controllers, because they're not used outside of consoles

[-] mayhair@discuss.tchncs.de 4 points 5 hours ago* (last edited 5 hours ago)

Just curious, what age group is he talking about here? 6-year-olds? My little brother's 13 and he plays games on his Xbox all the time. And his slightly older friend's a PC gamer.

[-] Lemjukes@lemm.ee 17 points 7 hours ago

There’s a Pirate Software clip where he talks about the amount of kids who don’t even recognize a controller as an input and go straight to assuming all screens are touch screens

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[-] Stalinwolf@lemmy.ca 35 points 7 hours ago* (last edited 7 hours ago)

My four-year-old daughter is shockingly proficient with a mouse and keyboard. Kid goes to town on Spyro: Reignited. My wife snagged an old PC from her office and we want to set it up for her eventually for learning, light gaming and MS Paint. We figure in another year or two we can set up a family Minecraft server and get her in on it. The dream is to get her playing Valheim with us when she's older.

Hoping she will be as good with PCs and I am, and would love to help her build one when she's grown.

[-] originalucifer@moist.catsweat.com 25 points 7 hours ago

shes old enough to start learning hardware now! i absolutely did this with my kids when they were 3-6. take an old pc apart, put it back together with them naming the parts. they all loved it. a toddler trying to say 'processor' is hilarious btw. only one (25%) seemed to continue playing with hardware but they all know what makes up a pc and he is the one running the family minecraft in docker.

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[-] FoD@startrek.website 26 points 7 hours ago

Feels like it doesn't it? I enjoyed taking apart and fixing the family computer as a kid but it was also out of necessity. If it wasn't me? Then who else would or could?

I'm still trying to decide if it's a "when I was a kid I used to clean my own carburetor" situation. Like, is it a "back in my day men were men and we fixed our computers by hand", or more so, there's just not a need to dig into computers unless you enjoy it like any other hobby.

[-] DarkCloud@lemmy.world 28 points 7 hours ago

I fix my own computer and my own car ...for me, it's a poverty thing!

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[-] Rhaedas@fedia.io 17 points 7 hours ago

No one yet has touched on the success of planned obsolescence.

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