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Bullshit, although yeah i get it i guess but there goes my plans to get strapped. I was going to buy a cute lil handgun in 380 but now i get NOTHING

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[–] ShimmeringKoi@hexbear.net 31 points 8 months ago* (last edited 8 months ago) (5 children)

You might be interested to know that in many states, black powder guns aren't legally considered firearms. None of the legal hassle that comes from buying a gun, and they tend to be cheaper too. People on parole sometimes get them for self defense. I know it might seem silly of me to suggest a Big Iron, but six shots is better than none.

[–] morte@hexbear.net 61 points 8 months ago

I own a musket for home defense, since that's what the founding fathers intended. Four ruffians break into my house. "What the devil?" As I grab my powdered wig and Kentucky rifle. Blow a golf ball sized hole through the first man, he's dead on the spot. Draw my pistol on the second man, miss him entirely because it's smoothbore and nails the neighbors dog. I have to resort to the cannon mounted at the top of the stairs loaded with grape shot, "Tally ho lads" the grape shot shreds two men in the blast, the sound and extra shrapnel set off car alarms. Fix bayonet and charge the last terrified rapscallion. He Bleeds out waiting on the police to arrive since triangular bayonet wounds are impossible to stitch up. Just as the founding fathers intended.

[–] morte@hexbear.net 21 points 8 months ago (1 children)

Interesting loophole though! I have always wanted to be a gunslinger though, maybe thats whats in the cards for me

[–] Sleazy_Albanese@hexbear.net 14 points 8 months ago

Some modern ones developed for europe are surprisingly practical. They are only able to exist in their practical form due to loopholes though.

[–] Gucci_Minh@hexbear.net 17 points 8 months ago (1 children)

I assume this doesn't include black powder cartridges? Still not bad though you can go for a cap and ball revolver which gets you 6 shots before you have to take the next 10 minutes to reload.

[–] morte@hexbear.net 14 points 8 months ago

One shot is all i need baybeeeee bean

[–] ManFreakBeast@hexbear.net 11 points 8 months ago* (last edited 8 months ago)

When the CHUD brownshirts show up at my door, I'm gonna be ready with my blunderbuss! I've gotten my loading procedure down to 2:36 seconds!

[–] RNAi@hexbear.net 28 points 8 months ago (1 children)

Worse for you is that there isn't an enormous black market for guns and shit, abaolutely none

[–] morte@hexbear.net 16 points 8 months ago (1 children)
[–] Lussy@hexbear.net 10 points 8 months ago* (last edited 8 months ago) (1 children)

you literally can't walk up to a walmart with a teletubby plush toy, there's nothing to be done sadness

[–] RNAi@hexbear.net 6 points 8 months ago (1 children)
[–] Lussy@hexbear.net 3 points 8 months ago

there's no way to buy a gun at walmart

[–] T34_69@hexbear.net 25 points 8 months ago* (last edited 8 months ago)

Not banned forever though, at least in California, it's a five year ban following a 5150. Also, the ban doesn't apply if the hold was observational or voluntary, i.e. a psychiatrist decided that you needed to be held in a facility and you went along with that decision, rather than being forced by a court, for example.

The federal form 4473 (which you fill out whenever buying a gun through a dealer) also gives some exceptions. If you search "4473 exception for involuntary commitment" you can find more info.

Depending on the details of the particular situation, you may still be able to buy a firearm legally. It could still be worth pursuing.

Edit: my bad, I read your other comments. There are ways to challenge a ban due to an involuntary commitment, but you gotta hit up a lawyer, etc for that.

[–] Babs@hexbear.net 23 points 8 months ago (2 children)

Involuntarily, like with going through the whole court process and a judge committing you and everything. If you're depressed and cops show up at your door and make you go to the hospital "voluntarily" under threat of being committed, that doesn't count. Even if you stay a while "voluntarily". If you get taken in for a 72 hour "observation" hold (5150) but then the doctors let you free, that doesn't count either. If you didn't have to go to court or at least face a judge, you weren't committed.

I've had a few grippy sock vacations when I was younger but it didn't impact my gun rights.

[–] morte@hexbear.net 9 points 8 months ago (2 children)

Mmmm i believe a court order was issued while i was in the ER. I vaguely remember seeing it and verifying that i was considered involuntary while in the institution

[–] Babs@hexbear.net 22 points 8 months ago (2 children)

In that case you may just have to get a brace of black powder pistols and start buccaneer-moding. You don't choose the pirate's life. The pirate's life chooses you.

[–] LanyrdSkynrd@hexbear.net 3 points 8 months ago (1 children)

From the ER they can put you on a short hold without court approval, and they don't need to start it until you're medically stable.

The kind that disqualifies you is something you'd remember. You're given a chance to testify.

[–] morte@hexbear.net 2 points 8 months ago (1 children)
[–] LanyrdSkynrd@hexbear.net 3 points 8 months ago (1 children)

Probably the easiest is asking for the medical records for that period from the hospital. You can usually get them for free if it's a limited request, but you'll probably have to go in person.

The second option is going to the clerk at the courthouse that serves that hospital and have them search for a committal record. They might charge you for a copy of the record, but it's usually cheap.

[–] morte@hexbear.net 2 points 8 months ago (1 children)

The hospital being the mental hospital I was at, correct? Or should I be checking with the ER too

[–] LanyrdSkynrd@hexbear.net 2 points 8 months ago

Yeah, whatever facility you believe you were committed to

[–] BakedCatboy@lemmy.ml 5 points 8 months ago (1 children)

Wait so does that mean it doesn't count if a judge signed off without seeing you? I wish there was an easy way to check because when I was a kid the doctor asked if I would go voluntarily and I said no, so they said ok we got a judge to sign off and I said oh ok I guess I'm going... Not sure what the paperwork was so I don't really know what it counts as.

[–] Babs@hexbear.net 6 points 8 months ago

Probably varies by state, but involuntary commitment is a whole legal process with hearings and judges and a right to testify and all that jazz.

You can look up court records to check. Maybe not in your case cause you were a kid, but if you get involuntarily committed as an adult there will be a court record of that.

[–] ManFreakBeast@hexbear.net 22 points 8 months ago (2 children)

Or (admitted to having) smoked weed, at least in my state.

[–] morte@hexbear.net 14 points 8 months ago (1 children)

Weed? Whats that? Never heard of it in my life

[–] ManFreakBeast@hexbear.net 11 points 8 months ago

It's that stuff you grow in your backyard that kills your tomatoes

[–] CommunistBear@hexbear.net 10 points 8 months ago

That also applies if you get a medical card in my state

[–] LENINSGHOSTFACEKILLA@hexbear.net 17 points 8 months ago

80%'s don't require anything other than an address

[–] electric_nan@lemmy.ml 12 points 8 months ago (1 children)

Check out r/fosscad over on that other website.

[–] ShimmeringKoi@hexbear.net 11 points 8 months ago (1 children)

I did and found this:

I need one

[–] electric_nan@lemmy.ml 4 points 8 months ago

Lmao that's incredible.

[–] SwitchyWitchyandBitchy@hexbear.net 9 points 8 months ago* (last edited 8 months ago) (2 children)

You can buy a lathe and mill though soooooo~

[–] morte@hexbear.net 11 points 8 months ago

going to use the lathe of heaven to make the gun pointed at the head of the universe

[–] CocteauChameleons@hexbear.net 8 points 8 months ago

Says in Florida, if youve been baker acted you have to file a court case to get your rights backs damn

[–] FlakesBongler@hexbear.net 6 points 8 months ago (1 children)
[–] Dingus_Khan@hexbear.net 5 points 8 months ago (1 children)

Also Arizona if that's closer

[–] tocopherol@hexbear.net 2 points 8 months ago* (last edited 8 months ago)

In a town I know in AZ there is a gunstore that has a massive scrap metal statue of liberty holding an AK-47 in place of the torch in the parking lot, they really do love their guns there

[–] Spongebobsquarejuche@hexbear.net 5 points 8 months ago

Back ground check?

[–] peppers_ghost@lemmy.ml 4 points 8 months ago (1 children)

Air guns can be pretty cool and are basically unregulated. I've got a .22 that shoots over 1000fps.