Just reached 20 millions today : fedimemes

[-] akilou@sh.itjust.works 91 points 1 week ago

Bluesky: install an app and make an account.

Mastodon: first pick a server. What does that mean? You figure it out. Ok, now select a client and install it. Doesn't matter which one, but it actually does. Then use that client app to log onto the server you made an account on. Now you just need to figure out who to follow and you're ready to participate!

[-] psvrh@lemmy.ca 53 points 1 week ago

The how-to-search-for-people-to-follow thing caused me trouble with Mastodon. I could handle getting a client and an account, but actually finding people not on the same instance as me was a challenge. Discoverability was pretty broken.

Bluesky doesn't seem to have that problem.

Lemmy I've stuck with because it handles that better.

[-] troed@fedia.io 19 points 1 week ago

The latest version of Mastodon does suggest accounts to follow. But you're absolutely right - Bluesky being fully centralized can do a lot of things easier than it is for the Mastodon network. I have high hopes that @dansup@mastodon.social will help alleviate this a lot though with the Fediverse equivalent for "starter packs":

https://mastodon.social/@dansup/113497558334297218

[-] Hawke@lemmy.world 6 points 1 week ago

actually finding people not on the same instance as me was a challenge

Isn’t it the same on bluesky? As I understand it, there’s effectively only the one instance, and the federation is theoretical.

[-] troed@fedia.io 20 points 1 week ago

Download "Mastodon" from an app store. Create an account. Post.

It's been a few years since you last tried, right?

[-] KazuyaDarklight@lemmy.world 9 points 1 week ago

It offers you a server, which is a step up, but the option to pick a different one is still very prominent which is going to make some people ask questions and lead to the usual confusion and anxiety about picking the "right" one.

[-] pennomi@lemmy.world 22 points 1 week ago

Anyone who has studied UX and how users move through an app knows that every step you make someone do has a huge drop off in user completion of that process.

Unfortunately that means that centralized, simple platforms will always have a distinct UX advantage over federated platforms. We have to make up for it by being simply better. (No ads is a good start.)

[-] otter@lemmy.ca 15 points 1 week ago* (last edited 1 week ago)

install an app and make an account

Mastodon is pretty much the same now

There is an option to pick another server, but non-technical users are probably going to glance over it entirely

https://blog.joinmastodon.org/2022/04/official-apps-now-available-for-ios-and-android/

[-] heavyboots@lemmy.ml 6 points 1 week ago* (last edited 1 week ago)

AFAIK, Mastodon has exactly the same experience as BS if you just download the Mastodon official client and pick the main mastodon.social instance.

And as far as finding people to follow, just follow some hashtags to start with. Like #boston should immediately got you local users and news and #mac for computer news, etc etc. Following 5 or 10 hashtags will get you a pretty strong initial feed on mastodon.social, I suspect.

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[-] SharkEatingBreakfast@sopuli.xyz 50 points 1 week ago

Gonna put this out there: the fediverse is vastly depressing and not very fun. Lacks creative-types, too.

I see why people would choose the alternative.

[-] awwwyissss@lemm.ee 23 points 1 week ago

And full of propaganda, especially from Lemmy.ml

Not surprising to me that its faltering, but very disappointing

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[-] Waraugh@lemmy.dbzer0.com 18 points 1 week ago

The general user base is off putting and creates a shit experience. The fediverse will unfortunately never grow beyond a niche platform. It’s a great idea, it’s too bad so many of the people are such shit. Even in this thread another user calmly pointed out what non technical users care about and sure enough, someone with their head so far up their ass they probably haven’t been able to walk outside in weeks is blasting off while smelling their own farts because it’s so inconceivable that some portions of the population may not be as technical or similarly vested in things as they are.

[-] SharkEatingBreakfast@sopuli.xyz 7 points 1 week ago

Bingo.

Only place I've had folks follow me around to harass me, too. It's disturbing.

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[-] Kichae@lemmy.ca 10 points 1 week ago

Something that could be fixed if creative types and fun people would just flood the place already. The place is being held hostage by social misers and digital HOA Karens.

[-] SharkEatingBreakfast@sopuli.xyz 15 points 1 week ago

They will not come here because there's an absolute fuckton of hostility.

My favorite woman-centric community went dark due to lack of moderation. Mods left because it was so damn hostile.

The t×nkie problem is also pretty bad.

Federated spaces will forever be niche spaces, because of all of this. Say "good" all you want, but it'd be great to have mass adoption.

[-] Blaze@feddit.org 5 points 1 week ago

The t×nkie problem is also pretty bad.

Aren't you okay on sopuli.xyz? I now use lemmy.cafe as my main, they block ml, hexbear and grad

[-] SharkEatingBreakfast@sopuli.xyz 8 points 1 week ago

I am! But I left 4-5 other instances before finally settling. Blahaj especially actually welcomed HB at one point because "trans solidarity", which opened the door to mass harassment. ......again. I was so absolutely disappointed because I was like "hey..don't" and was basically told off.

"Oh you can block them if you don't like it! It's up to the individual!" I'm sure that's fine if you're tough & completely mentally stable, but these people genuinely triggered my PTSD, which had not been a thing that had happened to me in years. It left me and my faith in this whole thing very very shaken.

That aside, I think sopuli only has ML unblocked because it has such large tech communities.

I really really really loved Beehaw, too, but after their talk about moving away from Lemmy, I scrambled to find another home.

An average user is not going to want to continually move around to keep themselves sane & safe.

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[-] callyral@pawb.social 7 points 1 week ago

My Lemmy experience is kinda shit, but Mastodon is alright

[-] Cube6392@beehaw.org 7 points 1 week ago

i've come to believe that something in reddit's design with the upvotes and the downvotes brings out the worst in people

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[-] lowleveldata@lemmy.world 42 points 1 week ago

Fediverse is the over-engineered great solutions that most people don't understand

[-] ByteOnBikes@slrpnk.net 20 points 1 week ago

I tried to explain the Fediverse to the marketing department at my company and the looks of confusion just made me gave up.

[-] troed@fedia.io 22 points 1 week ago

"It's like email. We have our company domain and others have theirs and it all just works"

[-] Takumidesh@lemmy.world 19 points 1 week ago

That's a great start to an explanation, but first, you are assuming that people know how email works, and second, unlike email, federated social media has discovery, feeds, and in general content that gets pushed to you. How all of that works can be complicated and if you join a small instance, you may not realize how much content you are missing because of it.

[-] idunnololz@lemmy.world 12 points 1 week ago* (last edited 1 week ago)

https://xkcd.com/2501/

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[-] otter@lemmy.ca 7 points 1 week ago* (last edited 1 week ago)

The analogy the other day works well, aside from the LaTeX one which still feels like a stretch

Firefox : Chrome
Linux : Windows
LaTex : MS Word
actual Fediverse : Bluesky's Fediverseᵀᴹ

However I'm happy to be here. Mastodon is getting a boost right now too. Even if they didn't, and everyone on Twitter moved to bluesky, I don't expect those instances to close up shop

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[-] troed@fedia.io 7 points 1 week ago

ATproto is way more over-engineered than ActivityPub, and due to its crypto currency roots using merkle trees it simply cannot scale decentralized.

[-] Telodzrum@lemmy.world 20 points 1 week ago

Gee . . . I wonder why

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[-] Maxxie@lemmy.blahaj.zone 19 points 1 week ago

Happy twitter is dying. For awhile I though modern society will take anything from fascists, but maybe there're still some lines normies won't cross.

And yea bluesky is just infant twitter, but it's like vaping: may be not great for you but hella better than smoking.

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[-] ekZepp@lemmy.world 19 points 1 week ago

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[-] makyo@lemmy.world 13 points 1 week ago

I want Mastodon to work as much as I want Lemmy to work but as long as all the people I want to follow are on/going to Bluesky I'll be on Bluesky too. At least until it gets entshitified and everyone flees again.

[-] asudox@discuss.tchncs.de 6 points 1 week ago

yet onto another centralized platform

[-] Arsecroft 9 points 1 week ago

Great! I never wanted 20 million users in my subreddits or irc channels or friend list.

We'll all be happier this way. I'm happier this way, anyway.

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[-] Tin@lemmy.blahaj.zone 9 points 1 week ago

Honestly it's fine. Keep fedi niche, it's why it continues to be comfy.

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[-] jaggedrobotpubes@lemmy.world 7 points 1 week ago

Fediverse still has linux and github vibes. Which is good in terms of functioning and free and made in the spirit of comraderie. And bad in terms intuitive and easy usability.

Programmers either don't understand that "nice to look at and use" is actually a really important aspect of an app/program, or it's a lot harder to do that well than it seems from the outside. I really don't know. When it's just one person making the whole thing, it makes sense that they split their work where they can.

But when you're dealing with a serious contender for a major platform, it's not optional anymore, and it's not a normie thing.

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[-] HubertManne@moist.catsweat.com 7 points 1 week ago

why is the fediverse the girlfriend. I mean ewww. it whoudl be like bluesky and fediverse as a lesbian couple with xitter checking them out from a construction site.

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[+] jeze3d@sh.itjust.works 6 points 1 week ago* (last edited 1 week ago)

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[-] 7toed@midwest.social 7 points 1 week ago

I've been waiting for my 2^68th Linux circlejerk post, I love Linux

[-] Grandwolf319@sh.itjust.works 5 points 1 week ago

That’s cause the Twitter format is not for people who want the open source experience.

Twitter format is about self promotion, it’s not a place to discuss ideas anonymously.

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