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submitted 17 hours ago by tardigrada@beehaw.org to c/politics@beehaw.org

This action is sponsored by: Civic Shout, Common Cause, DemCast USA, Democracy for America Advocacy Fund, Food & Water Watch, National Campaign for Justice, Progress America, TakeItBack.Org, The Juggernaut Project, The Workers Circle, and Voter Action Project.

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[-] TexMexBazooka@lemm.ee 1 points 5 minutes ago

This is pointless and will accomplish nothing

[-] SnotFlickerman@lemmy.blahaj.zone 24 points 16 hours ago* (last edited 16 hours ago)

If you're not on a list of people to harass, terrorize, abuse, or possibly deport in the Trump administration, make sure you are are on one of those by signing this public petition! /s

I'm actually joking, because letting that kind of fear stop us is how they've won so far and how they'll win in the future, unless we stop being afraid of the consequences of living in a corrupt USA and speaking truth to power.

Just ask Fred Hampton.

[-] itsybitesyspider@beehaw.org 1 points 1 minute ago

It's safest to sign. Safety is in numbers. Cowardice leads to the greater danger. And it doesn't matter if it accomplishes anything.

[-] LukeZaz@beehaw.org 4 points 7 hours ago

Considering that (insofar as I can tell) literally just a petition and nothing more, your joke actually sounds pretty accurate to me.

The only way this'll do good is if a miracle occurs and it becomes ludicrously successful. In any realistic scenario, all it does is make a convenient list of people the new administration won't like. Well, that and create a treasure trove of profitable data.

Fear is bad when it stops us from doing useful, helpful things. I don't think this is one of those things.

[-] millie@beehaw.org 17 points 17 hours ago

Is there any evidence that petitions are effective when they're not legally binding and are coming from the opposition?

[-] Manticore@beehaw.org 14 points 14 hours ago

If anything they're the opposite. The petitions themselves are not binding, and if they're not directly to institutions then they're probably not even noticed.

...but they do convince signers that they've 'done something', the catharsis of which makes them less likely to do something that actually matters.

[-] millie@beehaw.org 4 points 10 hours ago

Yeah, that's my thought. People sign a petition and go 'welp, I've done my part!' when they've literally done nothing constructive whatsoever.

[-] DdCno1@beehaw.org 5 points 14 hours ago

This reminds me of a scathing bit in I think "Bowling for Columbine" that covered a group of well-meaning women and their ineffective political activism. They made a bit of ruckus in some senator's office, then had tea and cake afterwards patting each other on the back.

[-] whithom@discuss.online 4 points 12 hours ago

It’s a pretty good way to get a list of people to deport.

[-] TachyonTele@lemm.ee 6 points 16 hours ago

That's what im wondering. What would signing this actually do?

[-] jabib@beehaw.org 10 points 17 hours ago

Pretty sure anyone who will sign this voted Harris. The election was the country's chance to say "no" to Project 2025

[-] Sundial@lemm.ee 10 points 17 hours ago

Don't be so sure. Even a lot of Republicans didn't like the idea, which is why Trump had to walk back from it and say he didn't know anything about. Which was an obvious lie. Plus, there seems to be a lot of people who voted Trump who didn't even know what it would bring. I'd imagine a lot of people would be against this.

[-] jabib@beehaw.org 4 points 14 hours ago

I imagine a lot would be, too, but that doesn't mean they did know about it or will know about it even when it is happening.

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