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[-] ChaoticNeutralCzech@feddit.org 10 points 12 hours ago

If I had the superpower of summoning tungsten blocks, I would use it for this. And bike lane barriers.

[-] lustyargonian@lemm.ee 34 points 21 hours ago

Homeless people be like, "a'ight I'll sleep on the floor".

[-] AutistoMephisto@lemmy.world 9 points 19 hours ago

Cops be like, "a'ight makes it easier to kick you".

[-] FlyingSquid@lemmy.world 61 points 1 day ago

Just for transparency's sake before I go into this, my wife is second from the top at the library.

The library here really did have to remove benches outside in a couple of places (in part) because of homeless people. Not because they were sleeping on them, there are other places outside the library where the homeless can sleep and the library does what it can to help the local homeless community.

Unfortunately, some (far, far from most) of the local homeless around the library were either very publicly using drugs or getting so fucked up on those drugs (or possibly just having a really bad mental illness episode) that they were harassing people and scaring kids. So when it came time to replace all of the benches since they got too old, they decided that they would not replace some of them.

There was definitely a big outcry about how the library was being anti-homeless, but it was nuts because there were people on the other side still complaining about how the library always stinks because they let the homeless people in there. I may be biased because of my wife, but I'm also a regular patron and I'm pretty much on their side on this one. It was becoming a huge issue and they really didn't want to keep getting the cops involved because they rightfully don't trust what the cops might do with the homeless and only end up calling them as a last resort.

Society has absolutely failed those people though. There is no question about that. But at some point, the library had to draw a line at how accommodating they could be.

[-] UnderpantsWeevil@lemmy.world 15 points 22 hours ago

the local homeless around the library were either very publicly using drugs

Biggest drug dealers in America - the Sackler family - weren't worth our time to punish. So some guy who washed out on Percocets and can only afford Fentanyl shouldn't have a place to sit.

There was definitely a big outcry about how the library was being anti-homeless, but it was nuts because there were people on the other side still complaining about how the library always stinks because they let the homeless people in there.

In America you have two options -

  1. pretend homelessness and addiction aren't happening
  2. destroy public property in a scorched earth campaign against drug use

The very idea of housing, treatment, and rehabilitation is too socialist to consider.

[-] FlyingSquid@lemmy.world 29 points 22 hours ago

Biggest drug dealers in America - the Sackler family - weren’t worth our time to punish. So some guy who washed out on Percocets and can only afford Fentanyl shouldn’t have a place to sit.

I didn't say being publicly intoxicated, I said publicly using drugs. As in they were shooting up while kids were being taken to storytime past them on the way to the library.

The library allows homeless people to be inside it from open to close. They give them free internet. They give them free help filling out necessary government forms. They hang around just to chat. They allow homeless people to sleep outside all around the building. They are literally building a shower and a washer/dryer facility in the new auxiliary library free for anyone to use.

In America, your local public library does more to help homeless people than anything you have probably done yourself, but I guess since they haven't personally solved the problem, they're the worst of the oppressors.

[-] UnderpantsWeevil@lemmy.world 5 points 21 hours ago* (last edited 21 hours ago)

I didn’t say being publicly intoxicated, I said publicly using drugs. As in they were shooting up while kids were being taken to storytime past them on the way to the library.

We have a solution for this as well.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Supervised_injection_site

Proven highly effective for reducing crime, mitigating the need for emergency response, curtailing disease spread, and channeling addicts to rehabilitation clinics

But because it comes off as permissive and benevolent, rather than punitive and prohibitionary it remains Haram in much of the US.

In America, your local public library does more to help homeless people than anything you have probably done yourself

It's a public service staffed with dozens of people. Of course a single person isn't going to do more in spare time than a team of people doing the work professionally.

But that doesn't excuse the rest of the state for tearing out local infrastructure as a means of tormenting the homeless.

"I did two good things so I have permission to do one bad thing" isn't sounds public policy.

[-] FlyingSquid@lemmy.world 4 points 21 hours ago

From my initial post:

Society has absolutely failed those people though. There is no question about that. But at some point, the library had to draw a line at how accommodating they could be.

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[-] Prandom_returns@lemm.ee 32 points 23 hours ago

This is so old that even the date had to be blurred out.

[-] prole@lemmy.blahaj.zone 32 points 22 hours ago* (last edited 22 hours ago)

Ah yes, this must be from the great "wear a mask" trend of 2010. I remember those times well.

[-] UnderpantsWeevil@lemmy.world 31 points 23 hours ago

The benches still aren't there

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[-] LANIK2000@lemmy.world 40 points 1 day ago

Right, because homeless people won't just sleep on the floor. Bitch they'll sleep anywhere with a roof where they won't be bothered, let alone a place with walls and basic heating/AC. Filthy liars! Why the fuck is America so hostile towards its citizens and why do they just take it?

[-] pyre@lemmy.world 35 points 1 day ago* (last edited 1 day ago)

where they won't be bothered

so you're saying we need to employ people to specifically bother them. thanks for your suggestion, and please feel free to use our suggestion box if you have more ideas.

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Let homeless people have benches and public restroom access, it's the absolute bare minimum we can do.

[-] frunch@lemmy.world 101 points 1 day ago

Can we though? Are you thinking of the shareholders at all?!? Someone's going to have a tough time having only 4 holiday homes to choose from... 😬

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[-] asteriskeverything@lemmy.world 82 points 1 day ago* (last edited 13 hours ago)

As someone who has had to confront homeless people with questionable mental health and/or sobriety; it's fucking hard. You want a safe space for them but then quickly that space becomes unsafe for everyone around. But also... it isn't hard just fucking talk to them. I have many times Don't stop being smart but stop being afraid. Fear of the other breeds so much hate and misery

Oh if it isn't obvious I support benches in public spaces and heavily condemn anti-houseless architecture/city planning

[-] Jimmycrackcrack@lemmy.ml 2 points 12 hours ago

Hey so you know, "condone" is to allow or accept a practice otherwise considered bad or unacceptable which I think is not what you meant here. It sounds like you want to say something like "condemn anti-houseless architecture/city planning" unless I've misinterpreted your meaning.

[-] asteriskeverything@lemmy.world 1 points 5 hours ago

Thank you for your gentle correction, you got my meaning correct

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[-] angelmountain@feddit.nl 13 points 1 day ago

Give them homes and bring back the benches. Problem solved.

[-] prole@lemmy.blahaj.zone 8 points 22 hours ago* (last edited 22 hours ago)

Yeah, but what about Joe Boomer who is bitter about working a dead end job for 40 years? He can't just sit back and do nothing as other people receive things that he didn't!

He's stuck in a shit mortgage, so that means you need to be too. Otherwise you live under a bridge.

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[-] s3p5r@lemm.ee 160 points 1 day ago

Totally fucked up and i hope someone in NY with a mobility issue files an ADA complaint with this easy online form

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[-] ntma@lemm.ee 4 points 19 hours ago

I saw a homeless guy verbally harass a woman on the subway until she cried. Then the guy started a fight with a black guy.

Most people are just fed up with crazies on public transportation. We don't give a shit about the reasons, we want a solution that doesn't take decades to solve.

[-] bunchberry@lemmy.world 7 points 10 hours ago

Not sure how getting rid of benches stops people from fighting.

[-] zarkanian@sh.itjust.works 2 points 9 hours ago

Being an asshole is not related to whether or not you have a home.

[-] Akasazh@feddit.nl 39 points 18 hours ago* (last edited 18 hours ago)

The point is that the problem you're looking for an instant solution for, was decades in the making and has to do with a structural neglect of mental health care, housing problems and war on drugs.

You say you don't give a shit about the reasons, but it's much like ignoring every warning light and than complaining it's expensive to fix the car.

[-] Argonne@lemmy.world -1 points 11 hours ago

We are not ignoring it, but there is no end in sight. Especially with Trump coming. So be less judgemental because most ny subway riders do not care at this point and just want to ride in peace while being judged by people like you

[-] Akasazh@feddit.nl 3 points 10 hours ago

I'm not judging anyone. I thinks the shit is hitting the fan everywhere, also where I live. It's fucking hard and it's annoying that so many get manipulated into voting against it own interests.

The only remedy is too cling together and stick to it values. The apathy cannot win. We can't put our heads in the sand and go along blaming other people for our troubles (whichever race/creed/other).

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