Microsoft allows Windows 11 to be installed on older, unsupported hardware but specifically nixes official support — minimum requirements for full compatibility remain unchanged (www.tomshardware.com)

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[-] edgemaster72@lemmy.world 22 points 2 weeks ago

Has "official" M$ support ever done anything useful for home users? Error documentation might as well be nonexistent, support forums are filled with copy/paste uselessness that more than ever come from "independent advisors" rather than M$ themselves. So really, what are people losing out on?

[-] NegativeLookBehind@lemmy.world 19 points 2 weeks ago

How gracious of them

[-] lvxferre@mander.xyz 17 points 2 weeks ago* (last edited 2 weeks ago)

My sides! That crap is losing ground to older versions, and now they're lowering the requirements!

Hey, when is Windows going to stop working if your keyboard doesn't have a Microsoft® approved Copilot® keyboard? It would be damn great!

apt-get moo for you guys.

EDIT: why are yall downvoting this and the_crotch's comments? Serious question.

[+] the_crotch@sh.itjust.works -6 points 2 weeks ago

Right? Where does Microsoft get off adding minimum hardware requirements to windows 11 for the first time ever?

[-] BCsven@lemmy.ca 6 points 2 weeks ago

The laughable part is the hardware list keeps slipping, my 2017 HP workstation said it was not supported due to CPU, now it recently changes to get ready for W11. Like all of a sudden when they see no one is adopting 11 as fast as they want they go and change requirements.

[-] lvxferre@mander.xyz 5 points 2 weeks ago

What I'm picking at is not requiring some min HW to run their adware. It's how much, compared with the development of their OS. W11 is mostly W10+trash.

[-] tekato@lemmy.world -2 points 2 weeks ago

The requirements are 7 year old hardware. While not everyone upgrades their PC every 7 years, I don’t think it’s unreasonable to stop supporting 7 years old hardware. Apple requires iPhone XS (6 years old) for iOS 18, Google requires Pixel 6 (3 years old) for Android 15, MacOS Sequoia requires 6 years old laptops. Turns out Microsoft is the one giving the most support.

[-] lvxferre@mander.xyz 9 points 2 weeks ago

I don’t think it’s unreasonable to stop supporting 7 years old hardware.

I think that it is; gimme a decade or so then we talk. Specially when feature-wise W11 is basically W10.

[-] ChairmanMeow@programming.dev 6 points 2 weeks ago

The requirements listed things that W11 doesn't technically require, like TPM. The OS works just fine without it. It was a business requirement, not a technical one, that got people upset.

[-] tekato@lemmy.world -3 points 2 weeks ago

TPM is required for Windows 11 because it is used for security purposes. The world is filled with things that aren’t “technically required” but they are actually required because they help prevent things. The web doesn’t “technically require” HTTPS, but modern websites require an HTTPS connection. A seatbelt isn’t “technically required” to drive a car, but you are required to wear one anyways.

[-] JackbyDev@programming.dev 2 points 1 week ago

This is like a car seat manufacturer refusing to "support" cars without seatbelts and then claiming their new line of seats is secure.

[-] tekato@lemmy.world 0 points 1 week ago

It is not the same. The government won’t even allow you to drive a car without a seatbelt if you somehow managed to buy one. Anyways most cars will provide you support for 5 years. A car is worth tens of thousands of dollars yet you get less support than a computer and nobody is complaining about that. Just like you can use your car with its 10 years old software, you can use your 10 years old computer with your old OS (Windows 10). This is a very simple problem.

[-] JackbyDev@programming.dev 1 points 1 week ago

It is not the same. The government won’t even allow you to drive a car without a seatbelt if you somehow managed to buy one.

Obviously it's not exactly the same. It's an analogy. It's only meant to help illustrate a point.

[-] Taleya@aussie.zone 4 points 2 weeks ago* (last edited 2 weeks ago)

Pcs aren't phones, dude. Most new systems don't have the specs on my beast and she's WELL past the 7 year mark

[-] tekato@lemmy.world -2 points 2 weeks ago

I would disagree given that two of the most efficient computer chips are based on phone SOCs (Qualcomm and Apple). Anyways, the fact that your system is powerful doesn’t mean anything from a support standpoint. Supporting old hardware means you need different versions for devices with different capabilities and architectures, which is not feasible for a company that also wants to focus on new technologies. Again, out of all top operating systems, Windows is giving you the most support.

[-] Taleya@aussie.zone 3 points 2 weeks ago

Hardware hasn't changed in the way you think it has for quite a while. For shits i span up a compatability check on my fifteen year old file server and it qualifies for w10.

The big wank issue with win10/11 is microsoft trying to enforce corporate hardware requirements on home users. Mostly so they can start trying to garden wall their shit.

[-] tekato@lemmy.world 1 points 1 week ago

Hardware hasn't changed in the way you think it has for quite a while. For shits i span up a compatability check on my fifteen year old file server and it qualifies for w10.

Your 15 years old system is Windows 10 compatible because Windows 10 was released in 2015, meaning that it is actually a 5 years old system when compared to Windows 10. You can run Windows 11 with any device from 2019.

The big wank issue with win10/11 is microsoft trying to enforce corporate hardware requirements on home users. Mostly so they can start trying to garden wall their shit.

You keep saying this line about corporate hardware. What’s “corporate” about TPM 2.0?

[-] Taleya@aussie.zone 1 points 1 week ago

Tpm is the move up from smart cards. It's a layer of system security a home user doesn't need

[-] xavier666@lemm.ee 7 points 2 weeks ago

you're going to get a worse experience in win11 compared to win10 (extra ads and extra copilot)
your win10 pc will lose M$ support on October 2025
if you update to win11 today with a non TPU enabled chipset, you'll lose M$ support today

Just remind me again why I should upgrade to win11?

[-] JackbyDev@programming.dev 1 points 1 week ago* (last edited 1 week ago)

Are they not pushing updates out for Windows 11 on machines without TPM 2.0? If they are then it's still "supported" lol.

Edit: After finding the actual post from Microsoft, yes, they're saying they may not continue to provide patches for this. Time will tell. I believe they'd rather have more people using Windows 11 than Windows 10 and if many people with legacy BIOS systems upgrade to Windows 11 they may continue to support them. Just like the full screen ads they pushed to get people to upgrade hardware, I think this messaging is moreso meant to scare people to upgrade hardware, but I believe the data they're gonna suck out of these older systems on Windows 11 is likely more valuable to them than the cost of supporting BIOS.

The following disclaimer applies if Windows 11 is installed on a device that doesn't meet the minimum system requirements:

This PC doesn't meet the minimum system requirements for running Windows 11 - these requirements help ensure a more reliable and higher quality experience. Installing Windows 11 on this PC is not recommended and may result in compatibility issues. If you proceed with installing Windows 11, your PC will no longer be supported and won't be entitled to receive updates. Damages to your PC due to lack of compatibility aren't covered under the manufacturer warranty. By selecting Accept, you are acknowledging that you read and understand this statement.

[-] M600@lemmy.world 7 points 2 weeks ago

Didn’t they recently say that it was technically impossible or something?

I expected something like this to happen. There was no way they were going to be allowed to just make so many computers insecure.

But I’m guessing the windows experience is going to intentionally be made extra bad on those “old” computers.

[-] Taleya@aussie.zone 7 points 2 weeks ago

Someone noticed users weren't gonna shell out for new kit

[-] atro_city@fedia.io 5 points 2 weeks ago

That's all it takes to keep people bound to that OS. Most will never install linux

[-] AnUnusualRelic@lemmy.world 2 points 1 week ago

Sad but true.

And I'm saying it as a 30+ years daily user of linux. Which also has had a lot of interactions with end users.

If there's one thing that people hate, it's change. They hate it when their version of windows changes, so changing for an entirely different system is right out. Even though the differences are trivial to the tech crowd.

[-] JackbyDev@programming.dev 1 points 1 week ago

I FUCKING CALLED IT. The irony is that if they'd dropped the requirement a year or so sooner then I would've upgraded to Windows 11 and probably not be planning on my next computer being Linux.

[-] SplashJackson@lemmy.ca -1 points 1 week ago

Who gives a shit?

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