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[-] JerkyIsSuperior@lemmy.world 39 points 2 years ago

"Mercenaries and auxiliaries are useless and dangerous; and if one holds his state based on these arms, he will stand neither firm nor safe."

Niccolo Machiavelli - The Prince

[-] zeppo@lemmy.world 14 points 2 years ago* (last edited 2 years ago)

"Windows are dangerous. Also, radioactive umbrellas" - zeppo, a Lemmy Member

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[-] SquishyPandaDev@yiffit.net 24 points 2 years ago

Holly shit this has been picked up by the BBC.

Remember, it doesn't matter if they succeed or not. The fact it has happened will terrify Putin.

[-] Arbiter@lemmy.world 14 points 2 years ago

I feel like this might be on behalf of Putin.

Wagner has been pretty careful to call out everyone but Putin.

Feels like setting the stage for a claim that the war was orchestrated by rogue elements in the Russian military, giving an out to tuck tail and run and move toward easing sanctions.

[-] sudneo@lemmy.world 10 points 2 years ago

Judging from the address to the nation, this doesn't seem the case now.

The situation is still very confused.

[-] DrElementary@lemmy.world 7 points 2 years ago

This is what I'm worried about. I hope they all tear themselves to pieces, but if Putin gets out scot free, I'll be disappointed

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[-] downpunxx@lemmy.world 24 points 2 years ago

The Wagnerites also seized the buildings of the head office of the Ministry of Internal Affairs, the FSB department, the administration of #Rostov and one of the police departments, according to local channels. Nobody in the city understands what's going on.

https://press.coop/@nexta_tv/110596856860216270

[-] andobando@lemmy.world 8 points 2 years ago
[-] Ghostalmedia@lemmy.world 8 points 2 years ago

Like watching Cobra attack the Decepticons.

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[-] lewis6991@lemmy.world 24 points 2 years ago

This is not a "war", it is a "special military operation".

This is not a "coup", it is a "march for justice".

[-] sudneo@lemmy.world 7 points 2 years ago

Everyone tries to control the narrative, this is completely normal. Anti-terrorist operation, peacekeeping mission, special military operation, march for X. I don't remember someone who just said "yep, we are invading X".

In this case both Prigozhin and Putin (or the establishment) are trying to control the narrative to gather support from "patriots". Saying you are making a coup sounds antigonizing, while saying you are marching for justice, because it's the government who has betrayed the people does not.

[-] i_simp_4_tedcruz@lemmy.world 20 points 2 years ago

I would like to submit "Putin panics and nukes his own people to stop the advance" for my Bingo card.

[-] jcit878@lemmy.world 8 points 2 years ago

the latest resolution from NATO didnt say Russia cant nuke itself...

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[-] GONADS125@lemmy.world 17 points 2 years ago

I welcome russian infighting. Hope it makes it easier for Ukraine to retake Crimea.

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[-] easeKItMAn@lemmy.world 16 points 2 years ago
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[-] lycanrising@lemmy.world 14 points 2 years ago

my mind is so blown. i didn’t have wagner turning against russia on my bingo card

[-] HerrLewakaas@lemmy.world 6 points 2 years ago

I mean Prigozin has been advertising his eventual turning against Putin for a while, but I didn't think it would happen as a full on military coup

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[-] assassinatedbyCIA@lemmy.world 13 points 2 years ago

More evidence as to why you don’t hire mercenaries. They are only loyal to the money. I hope the US is watching with their love of PMC’s.

[-] Double_A@lemmy.world 10 points 2 years ago* (last edited 2 years ago)

Especially if you send the mercenaries on a nonsense mission to die a pointless death...

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[-] dangblingus@lemmy.world 13 points 2 years ago

25,000 troops marching on Moscow. How many does the Kremlin have not already in Ukraine?

[-] Thepinyaroma@lemmy.world 12 points 2 years ago

How many do they have not in Ukraine... Who are also willing to kill fellow Russians? If the average Russian military sentiment is, "Eh, let them through" this could be huge.

Plus a lot of the "Royal Guard" may be well-connected rich kids who are even less inclined to fight.

Way too soon to know for sure, but. 🍿

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[-] political_avacado@lemmy.world 11 points 2 years ago

The Ukraine counter-offensive sure is effective.

[-] Yoz@lemmy.world 10 points 2 years ago

Can someone please explain what's going on ? I am out of the loop. I know Wagner was fighting for Russia but what happened now?

[-] certain_people@lemmy.world 24 points 2 years ago

Everyone in Wagner was about to be conscripted into the regular Russian Army as the latest in an ongoing power struggle between Wagner's boss and the Russian MoD. So to avoid losing his private army, the boss has stepped up the power struggle to an attempted coup, basically.

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[-] UniquesNotUseful@lemmy.world 16 points 2 years ago

The head of Wagner was unhappy with Russian military leaders and thought he'd take matters into his own hands as Putin was going to support him. Putin did not. Now there are 10,000 men heading to Moscow.

[-] innkeeper@lemmy.world 10 points 2 years ago

Ukrainian army called ...they need fresh supplies of popcorn...

[-] Nerrad@lemmy.world 10 points 2 years ago

I for one welcome their new Military overlords.

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[-] ghostnotes@lemmy.world 9 points 2 years ago

If Kiev has been saving something up for a special occasion, this occasion is starting to look pretty special.

[-] elihu@lemmy.world 7 points 2 years ago

I think this is a good time to continue what they've been doing, interfering with Russian logistics and pressing forward on the front lines.

They could make an attack on Russian territory (e.g. drone strikes against airbases, oilfields, bridges, or other suitable targets), but right now might be the right time to hold off on anything that might distract Russia and Wagner from fighting with each other. Nothing unifies squabbling factions quite like a serious external threat.

I wouldn't be surprised, though, if Ukraine ops to antagonize Russia as much as they can, while leaving Wagner mostly alone. That would also be a sensible strategy.

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[-] Antik@lemmy.ml 8 points 2 years ago

Holy shit.

Things are getting real real.

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[-] SpacemanZ@kbin.social 8 points 2 years ago

Wagner switching sides was not on my bingo card

[-] Zamboniman@lemmy.ca 20 points 2 years ago* (last edited 2 years ago)

They didn't switch sides. They created a third side. A Mêlée à Trois.

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[-] HexesofVexes@lemmy.world 7 points 2 years ago

This became a possibility the moment Prigo started making threats towards government officials. As soon as that happened, and Russia did not recall and disband the group, a rebellion became an eventuality (what mercenary is going to accept execution from a state he is propping up).

I doubt it'll be successful, but it is a huge blow to Russia.

[-] andrei_chiffa@lemmy.world 7 points 2 years ago

Generally, I don't like to gloat, but I did call that one ~ June 5th over on Reddit (https://www.reddit.com/r/france/comments/140qkwu/destructions_incursions_%C3%A9vacuations_dans_la/jmyndp3/?context=3; in French because it was on r/France).

It actually is much worse than it seems - I did a write up over on Mastodon to explain why and how (https://mastodon.social/@andrei_chiffa/110599724720727202). The TLDR is that cities taken by Wagner mercs will be hard to retake without leveling, all internal protection troops are either tied or were lost in Ukraine, and mercs themselves have nothing to loose and all the revenge to take.

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[-] MiddleWeigh@lemmy.world 6 points 2 years ago

This could definitely be a powder keg moment in some way.

[-] green_dragon@lemmy.world 6 points 2 years ago

People are tired of this war. Putin wanted to secure food reserves and have an open access sea port for his military; however he wasn't honest as to his reasons why; understandably so. Given this the Russian public doesn't see the actual geopolitical value of the conflict. This was inevitable. If Russia couldn't play nice with the rest of the world as their money mostly comes from oil and gas; which we are moving away from. Let them pay for their crimes.

[-] wheresyourshoe@lemmy.world 6 points 2 years ago

Things are escalating quickly in Russia.

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