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Everyone in the tech industry facepalms almost every time legislators try to pontificate on technology, but the British government appears to be trying to set a new record. After putting iMessage and FaceTime at risk, the government is now suggesting that it might ban some Apple security updates.

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[-] jet@hackertalks.com 74 points 11 months ago* (last edited 11 months ago)

https://www.justsecurity.org/87615/changes-to-uk-surveillance-regime-may-violate-international-law/

Linking to the original article and not an article summarizing the article.

TLDR The UK government wants service providers in the UK to request permission to apply updates including security updates. They may deny that permission for national security reasons.

Ie if the government wants it broken so they can keep exploiting it they will prevent anybody from getting patched.

[-] jet@hackertalks.com 34 points 11 months ago

This is one step removed from requiring software vendors to add back doors

[-] umami_wasbi@lemmy.ml 20 points 11 months ago

Or deny that request, and turn the bug to a back door.

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[-] amzd@kbin.social 61 points 11 months ago

Ok so Apple would have to disclose the vulnerability to follow proposed EU rules then can't implement the fix in UK? That seems like a disaster waiting to happen

[-] LeTak@lemm.ee 49 points 11 months ago

Imagine Apple shares a patch and the UK does not approve the install. Ok nice. Now everyone knows a vulnerability that affects most of the Apple devices in UK. What could go wrong.

[-] pivot_root@lemmy.world 20 points 11 months ago

Next step: require all security patches to be submitted to the UK government for review before disclosing it to any other government or to the public.

[-] imperator3733@lemmy.world 15 points 11 months ago

At that point Apple might as well pull out of doing business in the UK entirely.

[-] KSPAtlas@sopuli.xyz 5 points 11 months ago

As someone in the uk, please have them do so the uk learns its lesson

[-] Honytawk@lemmy.zip 4 points 11 months ago

Yes, pulling out of the UK is on the tables now.

See, one of the amazing parts of the EU is the capability of collective bargaining.

If the UK was still in the EU, then any company looking to pull out of the UK because of laws would cause the EU to ban the company in every other country until they comply.

A company would essentially need to pull out of the entire EU in those instances, and with their 700 million rich inhabitants, that is one huge market to leave.

But leaving a 70 million market isn't that big of a deal.

[-] Spotlight7573@lemmy.world 10 points 11 months ago

A most favored nation clause, but for security. Great... just what we needed.

[-] PersnickityPenguin@lemm.ee 3 points 11 months ago

Apple immediately ceases sales and support for all apple products in the UK.

[-] Powerpoint@lemmy.ca 24 points 11 months ago

The UK did allow Brexit to happen, they haven't exactly been making the best decisions.

[-] killeronthecorner@lemmy.world 10 points 11 months ago

Hey now, we may be dumb and we may be obstinate but I'm tired time for bed grumble grumble

[-] graphite@lemmy.world 54 points 11 months ago

Under the latest plans, tech companies would need to notify the British government before rolling out a security fix but might be refused permission if it blocks a vulnerability that’s being exploited by security services…

I suppose these days it's cheaper to find some half baked vulnerability and pray it lasts a while instead of just adding back doors in the devices

[-] ikidd@lemmy.world 38 points 11 months ago

That's the stupidest fucking thing I've heard from a government that seems to take pride in how stupid and authoritarian their legislation can get. They're giving the US a run for it's money.

[-] graphite@lemmy.world 3 points 11 months ago

It's beginning to feel all bad at this point, yeah, I agree.

They'll save a lot of money, but (a) the cost isn't worth it and (b) it's just totally assenine logic that takes a dump on the idea of a government's existence having any sense of meaning that goes beyond serving the interests of the wealthy.

[-] djmarcone@lemm.ee 2 points 11 months ago

If the reason is actually for leaving 0days open then it is actually for the USA. Since the USA spies on foreign citizens such as UK citizens, the UK spies on the USA citizens.

Because otherwise it would be illegal. Or something.

[-] umami_wasbi@lemmy.ml 9 points 11 months ago

Or wait the service provider submit a fix, deny it, and then exploit. Even cheaper than find one cuz they just need to wait to be summitted.

[-] Petter1@lemm.ee 1 points 11 months ago

iOS Jailbreaker‘s life

[-] KelsonV@lemmy.world 52 points 11 months ago

I was expecting this to be a half-baked plan to block something using a less-than-half-baked definition that would also cover security updates.

The fact that someone actually thinks explicitly blocking security updates is a good idea is just appalling.

[-] BigVault@kbin.social 49 points 11 months ago

Hospital emergency rooms across the UK are likely to be declaring a major incident to deal with the rash of injuries caused by the force of facepalming and banging heads against desks throughout the tech sector.

The NHS is struggling enough as it is.

[-] BilboBargains@lemmy.world 34 points 11 months ago

Welcome to the world of British politics. When their advisor on drugs, the scientist prof David Nutt, pointed out that riding a horse is statistically known to be more dangerous than MDMA he was summarily dismissed from his post. These people don't want inconvenient facts to spoil their Victorian era conception of reality. So it will go with their absurd and pernicious spying charter.

[-] moosemoosemoose@lemmy.ca 7 points 11 months ago

Reminds me of a quote I have always enjoyed:

"We know no spectacle so ridiculous as the British public in one of its periodical fits of morality." Thomas B. MacCaulay

[-] lustrum@sh.itjust.works 33 points 11 months ago* (last edited 11 months ago)

This might have worked a decade ago. Companies are EXTREMELY hot on device patches now. I work for a big company and we have a week to install the latest iOS patches on our phone. We get regular updates when software is out. If windows gets a certain patch behind the system can't update, it requires a full flash.

The same with banning encryption, the average Joe might not care but big companies have a lot to protect in IP and legally. Imagine a US company wanting send IP to a UK company for design/validation/manufacturing. They just won't because our devices/networks will be vulnerable to IP being stolen

[-] Honytawk@lemmy.zip 3 points 11 months ago

They would need to put the IP on a flash drive and hand deliver it like it was the 1970's.

[-] Aesthesiaphilia@kbin.social 27 points 11 months ago

Surveillance state.

[-] Lowered_lifted@lemmy.world 15 points 11 months ago

Lol @ their intelligence agencies telling them that this is a bad idea & them going ahead anyway

[-] XTornado@lemmy.ml 13 points 11 months ago* (last edited 11 months ago)

They want to end the """British Empire""" once and for all. It's a long term plan that started with Brexit.

[-] randomperson@lemmy.world 5 points 11 months ago

Is Britain as relevant nowadays as people think tho?

[-] BilboBargains@lemmy.world 16 points 11 months ago

Every day we sink further into irrelevance. Look at the fate of Greece. Their culture and contributions to mathematics, philosophy and literature created the foundations of modern civilization. Now they are a holiday destination and not much else.

[-] Claidheamh@slrpnk.net 11 points 11 months ago

Well, you guys don't even have holiday destination going for you. Good luck lads.

[-] BilboBargains@lemmy.world 3 points 11 months ago

We're fucked!

[-] XTornado@lemmy.ml 2 points 11 months ago

I don't think , that's why the quotes on British Empire half joking, but let's be honest I am clueless here maybe they are more relevant than I think they are.

[-] Honytawk@lemmy.zip 2 points 11 months ago

There are those who think Britain is still great. That is why they could convince so many to vote for Brexit.

But since the world has become so interconnected, and Britain has lost all its colonies, it won't be capable of dealing with the world on its own anymore.

Some needed Brexit in order to come to that conclusion.

[-] FlyingSquid@lemmy.world 1 points 11 months ago

When you have submarines with nuclear missiles on them, you remain pretty damn relevant.

[-] randomperson@lemmy.world 4 points 11 months ago

North Korea relevant then?

[-] VampyreOfNazareth@lemm.ee 12 points 11 months ago

Add to the law that all politicians phone data must be shared with the tax payer.

[-] UltraMagnus0001@lemmy.world 6 points 11 months ago

nsa is happy

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