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Telegram Hands U.S. Authorities Data on Thousands of Users (www.404media.co)

submitted 3 weeks ago by yogthos@lemmy.ml to c/privacy@lemmy.ml

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[–] vk6flab@lemmy.radio 49 points 3 weeks ago (11 children)

And now you know why we've been telling you not to use Telegram.

[–] shortwavesurfer@lemmy.zip 32 points 3 weeks ago (1 children)

What seems crazy to me is how many people they managed to convince that they were private when they most definitely are not.

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[–] lazynooblet@lazysoci.al 24 points 3 weeks ago (3 children)

I know Lemmy hates telegram but it should be common knowledge that all platforms process requests from authorities.

https://www.malwarebytes.com/blog/news/2021/12/heres-what-data-the-fbi-can-get-from-whatsapp-imessage-signal-telegram-and-more

The repeated posting of this story the last few days seems artificial.

[–] yogthos@lemmy.ml 19 points 3 weeks ago (7 children)

I don't really have any special hate for Telegram myself, and I never saw it as a secure communication platform. I have more problem with Signal because people treat it like it's paragon of privacy and security.

[–] Corgana@startrek.website 5 points 3 weeks ago (2 children)

I'd be curious to hear your criticisms of Signal! While I haven't seen anyone describing it as a "paragon of privacy and security" I do think it is a highly accessible SMS replacement that is also open source, end-to-end encrypted, and operated by a nonprofit.

[–] dessalines@lemmy.ml 17 points 3 weeks ago (65 children)

I wrote a longer one here: https://dessalines.github.io/essays/why_not_signal.html

The short version is, that it's a centralized, US hosted service. All of those are subject to National Security Letters, and so are inherently compromised. Even if we accept that the message content is secure, then signal's reliance on phone numbers (and in the US, a phone number is connected to your real identity and even current address), means that the US government has social connection graphs: everyone who uses signal, who they talk to, and when.

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[–] yogthos@lemmy.ml 9 points 3 weeks ago (20 children)

The most obvious one that has been explained to death here is that Signal collects vast amounts of metadata. It's also a centralized service that's operated in the US, and it doesn't even make reproducible builds for the Android client.

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