619
submitted 1 year ago by MicroWave@lemmy.world to c/news@lemmy.world

The shooter, a white man, killed three people after writing messages of hatred for Black people. He killed himself after opening fire in a dollar store.

A white gunman fatally shot three Black people in hate-motivated shooting at a Dollar General retailer in Jacksonville on Saturday afternoon, Sheriff T.K. Waters said.

"This shooting was racially motivated, and he hated Black people," the sheriff said at a news conference. "He wanted to kill n------."

top 50 comments
sorted by: hot top controversial new old
[-] Gingerlegs@lemmy.world 94 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago)

👈 trump effect did this

[-] RegularGoose@sh.itjust.works 8 points 1 year ago

Violent racism isn't a product of Trump. Trump is a product of violent racism.

[-] itsprobablyfine@feddit.uk 18 points 1 year ago

I think there's an argument to be .ade for it being a positive feedback loop

load more comments (3 replies)
[-] Franzia@lemmy.blahaj.zone 54 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago)

“This was, quite frankly, a maniac who decided he wanted to take lives,”

~~Copycat shooter with a manifesto, armed with the usual kit: A plate carrier, an AR-15, and a Glock.~~

~~While I can see this is a racially motivated shooting, I think this pattern indicates some deeper... suicidal, martyrdom ideology. The intent includes the suicide. It's suicidally motivated, too. These plans include the repetitive messaging of a newsfeed marching down the list of mass shootings by scared whitr supremacists. Racial killing, suicide, manifesto, and the date makes it a copycat killing. Is he truly a maniac, if so many are falling into this same set of cowardly cries for help?~~

~~I feel no sympathy for the dead shooter. But I stare into the abyss, feeling I must empathize with the scared white supremacist who does this next.~~

~~Stochastic Terrorism (wiki)~~

[-] Burn_The_Right@lemmy.world 16 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago)

I must empathize with the scared white supremacist who does this next.

Really?! What the fuck?

Conservatives do not empathize with you. They see empathy as a weakness to exploit. Do not empathize with them unless you'd like to become their next victim.

[-] FlyingSquid@lemmy.world 8 points 1 year ago

You can empathize with someone without being exploited by them. I empathize with prisoners suffering in solitary confinement because I consider it inhumane. That doesn't mean I'm going to allow myself to be attacked by a murderous psychopath without defending myself.

load more comments (1 replies)
[-] RegularGoose@sh.itjust.works 7 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago)

Empathy is not agreement or defense, it's understanding. Refusing to empathize is refusing to find a solution. Stop being part of the problem.

load more comments (1 replies)
load more comments (5 replies)
[-] Pratai@lemmy.ca 12 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago)

Fuck em. Let them all suicide their way out. As long as they stop taking innocent people with them, they can die in agony in a ditch as far as I’m concerned. The time for sympathy is over.

[-] FlyingSquid@lemmy.world 7 points 1 year ago

But the problem is they don't stop. And they're being encouraged to kill.

load more comments (7 replies)
[-] lennybird@lemmy.world 54 points 1 year ago

The list of violent right-wing extremist violence is is growing very long.

All this fanned by right-wing media and foreign agents like Russia.

[-] reverendsteveii@lemm.ee 42 points 1 year ago

OH BOY ANOTHER LONE WOLF! CAN'T FUCKING MOVE FOR LONE WOLVES AROUND HERE!

If you ever wondered what you would do in Germany in the 30s, you're doing it right now.

load more comments (2 replies)
[-] JustZ@lemmy.world 41 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago)

Just another Trumper with a gun, who lived in his parents' house.

[-] negativeyoda@lemmy.world 40 points 1 year ago

Veritable pack of lone wolves, amirite?

[-] BonesOfTheMoon@lemmy.world 39 points 1 year ago

Florida is full of Nazis. Pretty much every biker bar in Florida is home to white supremacists. You couldn't get me to visit Florida for anything.

[-] WaxedWookie@lemmy.world 36 points 1 year ago

I love it that Nazis are too damn stupid to give their allies plausible deniability and keep covering everything in swaztikas.

The Allen Texas mall shooter was a great example - the right wing media tried arguing he was Hispanic, and that he wasn't right-wing - his huge swaztika tattoos were a false flag... That he wore for years. Even your average Fox viewer isn't buying that.

[-] Thaumiel@lemmy.world 24 points 1 year ago

I have some bad news for you about the average Fox viewer.

load more comments (1 replies)
[-] FaeDrifter@midwest.social 10 points 1 year ago

He didn't actually die, it was all staged, and the tattoos were the temporary ink tattoos.

This is sarcasm but maybe I shouldn't give the conspiracy theorists any more ideas.

The most ridiculous part is how self-contradictory the right wing media explanations get. Like he's a false flag to make right wing white nationalists look bad, but simultaneously he's an example of how dangerous Hispanic immigrants are. Firehouse of misinformation - hopefully something sticks, right!?

load more comments (1 replies)
[-] ediculous@feddit.nl 36 points 1 year ago

The sheriff just casually dropped the N word in this press conference?

[-] PrincessLeiasCat@sh.itjust.works 49 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago)

Yes, he’s Black, and he said that it was the only time he was going to say it. I feel like it’s his prerogative to decide when he can say that in response to an attack on his community.

[-] Maajmaaj@lemmy.ca 24 points 1 year ago

I mean... He's black and a sheriff in Florida. He for sure said our pronunciation of the word, lmao

[-] FlyingSquid@lemmy.world 12 points 1 year ago

When said by the right person in the right context, that word can go from a word used to attack the innocent to a word used to condemn the racist.

load more comments (1 replies)
load more comments (1 replies)
[-] PresentlySneeds@lemmy.world 34 points 1 year ago

The shooter was clearly driven to violence by socioeconomic hardship

[-] FlyingSquid@lemmy.world 30 points 1 year ago

Also, the gun had nothing to do with it. It was because our country does nothing about the mental health crisis.

What? Government subsidized mental health care? What are you, a commie?

load more comments (20 replies)
[-] Maajmaaj@lemmy.ca 33 points 1 year ago

This further validates me considering going gun shopping with my dad and getting a concealed carry license, especially now that I'm sober. I think most black folks in the US should get one at this point.

[-] ElderWendigo@sh.itjust.works 11 points 1 year ago

A gun is unlikely to make you much safer in public. It will significantly increase your risk for gun related injury or death in your own home. A concealed weapon in public opens you up to liability, as well as an easy excuse for any police to murder you if they discover your gun before you can completely submit and follow their often confusing and conflicting orders. An unconcealed gun just makes you a higher profile target for an armed maniac like in the article and also the police. The statistics just don't support the idea in general that getting a gun ever makes anyone any safer from gun violence.

I understand your motivation to protect yourself and I support your right to do so through responsible and informed gun ownership. Go take the prerequisite gun safety classes first. Go find a range that will let you shoot with their equipment. Start the process of getting a gun with as much education and experience as you can. Read the about the statistics of gun violence, paying attention to where the funding for each paper comes from. Read up on your rights, but also train yourself on how to deal with police encounters, now that you're going to be the thing most police are pants passingly afraid of. This will help in dealing with police even when your not armed. If you're not already going to therapy, make it a regular part of your gun maintenance. If you and the gun will be living with anyone old enough to grasp objects and understand language, make sure they go to gun safety classes also. If you have children that will have friends over know that a lock is not enough to keep kids safe (gun locks are notoriously easy to bypass), they all need age appropriate gun safety education.

load more comments (1 replies)
[-] gentleman@kbin.social 11 points 1 year ago

@Maajmaaj I think you're right. Stay sober though. check out reddit r/liberalgunowners there is a huge amount of information for those thinking about becoming armed.

@MicroWave

load more comments (1 replies)
load more comments (1 replies)
[-] Fades@lemmy.world 23 points 1 year ago

Did that fucking sheriff seriously use the n word in damn press release…. What the fuck????

[-] CoderKat@lemm.ee 25 points 1 year ago

Yeah. I don't understand it even in context.

"This shooting was racially motivated, and he hated Black people," the sheriff said at a news conference. "He wanted to kill n------. "That's the one and only time I'll use that word," Waters said, referring to the racial slur.

Like, what??? Why use it even that "one and only" time?

[-] Llamadramas@lemmy.world 19 points 1 year ago

I imagine it's a quote from the manifesto. So he said it to drive home the clarity of the hate.

load more comments (2 replies)
load more comments (6 replies)
[-] CharlesDarwin@lemmy.world 20 points 1 year ago

Huh, I wonder if he was Antifa or not.

load more comments (3 replies)
[-] ArugulaZ@kbin.social 18 points 1 year ago

Just save time and give him a urinal instead of a gravestone.

[-] chemicalprophet@lemm.ee 17 points 1 year ago
load more comments (1 replies)
[-] twogems@lemm.ee 13 points 1 year ago

Rest in hell

[-] iforgotmyinstance@lemmy.world 10 points 1 year ago

Typical modern conservative. Waffling between keeping up the act or full mask-off racism.

[-] corsicanguppy@lemmy.ca 6 points 1 year ago

3 fatalities doesn't even qualify as a mass killing.

How sad is that?

The mass killing in Ohio on the 24th qualifies though.

[-] RGB3x3@lemmy.world 5 points 1 year ago

DeSantis called it "a cowardly act" which seems like the weirdest way to talk about a shooting like this.

Almost as if he's saying it wasn't brave enough and that the shooter should have done more.

load more comments
view more: next ›
this post was submitted on 27 Aug 2023
619 points (97.7% liked)

News

23517 readers
4537 users here now

Welcome to the News community!

Rules:

1. Be civil


Attack the argument, not the person. No racism/sexism/bigotry. Good faith argumentation only. This includes accusing another user of being a bot or paid actor. Trolling is uncivil and is grounds for removal and/or a community ban. Do not respond to rule-breaking content; report it and move on.


2. All posts should contain a source (url) that is as reliable and unbiased as possible and must only contain one link.


Obvious right or left wing sources will be removed at the mods discretion. We have an actively updated blocklist, which you can see here: https://lemmy.world/post/2246130 if you feel like any website is missing, contact the mods. Supporting links can be added in comments or posted seperately but not to the post body.


3. No bots, spam or self-promotion.


Only approved bots, which follow the guidelines for bots set by the instance, are allowed.


4. Post titles should be the same as the article used as source.


Posts which titles don’t match the source won’t be removed, but the autoMod will notify you, and if your title misrepresents the original article, the post will be deleted. If the site changed their headline, the bot might still contact you, just ignore it, we won’t delete your post.


5. Only recent news is allowed.


Posts must be news from the most recent 30 days.


6. All posts must be news articles.


No opinion pieces, Listicles, editorials or celebrity gossip is allowed. All posts will be judged on a case-by-case basis.


7. No duplicate posts.


If a source you used was already posted by someone else, the autoMod will leave a message. Please remove your post if the autoMod is correct. If the post that matches your post is very old, we refer you to rule 5.


8. Misinformation is prohibited.


Misinformation / propaganda is strictly prohibited. Any comment or post containing or linking to misinformation will be removed. If you feel that your post has been removed in error, credible sources must be provided.


9. No link shorteners.


The auto mod will contact you if a link shortener is detected, please delete your post if they are right.


10. Don't copy entire article in your post body


For copyright reasons, you are not allowed to copy an entire article into your post body. This is an instance wide rule, that is strictly enforced in this community.

founded 2 years ago
MODERATORS