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submitted 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) by Kerred@lemmy.ml to c/gaming@beehaw.org

I see the phrase 'ahead of it's time' used a lot like a long with words such as 'underrated' or 'epic' or 'literally', or 'ironic'. I read how ahead of it's time is used for literally any popular game that it alters the meaning of the phrase.

Anyways here is a list of games I feel would have sold or been more known had they been released several years in the future:

  • Jurassic Park Trespasser: the YouTube channel ResearchIndicates and one of the most informative Let's Play videos of all time best explains this game.

JPT had a rather ambitious physics engine AND open world environments which seemed pretty much undoable at the time, along with non gameplay breaking story flow with Attenborough himself. But just like with No Man's Sky the hype engine and promising too much got the devs way over their heads and failed. Valve was able to continue what JPT started with Half Life, but I imagine if it had more time JPT could have been an immersive classic.

  • Time Splitters Future Perfect an FPS with sharable Map Creation content. The problem I feel was many people didn't try this as Halo's Forge wasn't out yet to bring to light what user content can really do, and less accessible online play at the time.

  • Tony Hawks Pro Skater 3 Okay this doesn't count, but I just want to mention this because the official Sony Network Adapter wasn't even out yet when this released. You have to use a specific brand of Linksys or D-Link USb to Ethernet adapter on your PS2 to get it to work 😄. So I classify this ahead of it's time due to the first party product not existing yet.

  • Psychonauts. This was an easy one, non Mario platformers weren't the trend among the ocean of best selling Xbox titles. Thankfully A Hat In Time much later showed the more mainstream appeal of small dev platformers.

  • Dragon Quest 1 & 5 in the US. Not in Japan as you could shut down Japan for a day with the release of a new Dragon Quest game (tip for invaders). DQ has always struggled in the US partly due to, oddly enough, taking so long to reach the US. It's a mix of too early and too late, with DQ 1 inventing the traditional console RPG format, and DQ5 being Pokemon before Pokemon, to quote Tim Rogers. But early DQ games releasing far too late on the NES life and not releasing on SNES I feel could have made DQ games closer to FF games in the US

  • Puzzle Quest Challenge of the Warlords: a Match 3 game in the early days of Xbox Live arcade.

The timing would have had to be tight on this, had it come out around the time of monument Valley it would have been perfect to expose casuals to a match 3 game with more depth to it

But it was too easily for the match 3 craze, and now too late for the oversaturation of match 3 mobile games.

  • Eternal Darkness Lovecraft is all the rage among public domain IPs nowadays. Eternal Darkness was all the fun of bizarre 4th wall breaking spooks combined with non frustrating old school Resident Evil like gameplay. more of a wrong place wrong time kind of thing, in an attempt to bring a more mature crowd to the GameCube is underperformed.

I would love to see Nintendo at least attempt to emulate it on the Switch somehow.

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[-] buckykat@lemmy.fmhy.ml 27 points 1 year ago

A quote from a review of the game Alien: Resurrection written in 2000:

The game's control setup is its most terrifying element. The left analog stick moves you forward, back, and strafes right and left, while the right analog stick turns you and can be used to look up and down.

You may recognize this as how every console FPS works now, but it earned the game a 4.7/10 at the time.

[-] KanariePieter@feddit.nl 8 points 1 year ago

If that didn't make it ahead of its time I don't know what would. Thanks for sharing!

[-] averyfalken@beehaw.org 6 points 1 year ago

Kind of reminds me what half-life did for PC controls

[-] CaptainProton@lemmy.fmhy.ml 4 points 1 year ago

I was about to post this. Amazing how things change.

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[-] julianh@lemm.ee 25 points 1 year ago

I think System Shock belongs here too. It was an immersive sim in 1994, was one of the first games to make use of audio logs, and had 3D models and environments before Quake. It initially released on floppys without voice acting so it didn't sell too well, and it wasn't until later that it started getting more widely appreciated as the groundbreaking title it is. Another thing is that the controls and graphics can make it a bit of a pain to play today - this was before WASD and mouselook were standardized.

[-] brihuang95@sopuli.xyz 15 points 1 year ago

I think the first Deus Ex belongs there too. I played it a couple of years ago and was still impressed by the attention to detail

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[-] jerkface@lemmy.ca 5 points 1 year ago

The remake of the original System Shock was recently released to great acclaim from die hard fans.

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[-] lloram239@feddit.de 23 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago)

Another World had the whole cinematic gaming figured out back in times the floppy disk, lengthy intro included. Took about 15 years for the rest of the industry to catch up.

Elite procedural open world universe in 3D all the way back in 1984. The sequel in 1993, Frontier: Elite II even let you land on planets.

Magic Carpet, fully destructible terrain in 1994 along with an interesting mix of (very light) RTS and FPS. Later on Red Faction and Red Faction: Guerrila offered even more destructibility. While we have some modern games like Teardown that focus on destruction, it's still not a commonly seen feature in games. Magic Carpet is also still the most "3D" game I am aware of, supported almost everything, VR headsets, red&green glasses, even MagicEye-style auto stereograms.

EF2000, flight simulation with a full dynamic war simulated in the background. Falcon 4.0 improved on it. Carrier Command might be an even earlier example of similar mechanics. Mainstream gaming still hasn't really had anything similar as far as I can tell and relies on scripted events instead of a simulated world.

Boulder Dash Construction Kit (1986), might not have been the first, but one of the early games including a fully featured and easy to use level editor.

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[-] cosmicsploogedrizzle@lemmy.ml 20 points 1 year ago

Not a game, but the Dreamcast as a system. Supported online play that was not/under utilized. Had a mini screen in the save game cartridge. I miss that system.

[-] xtremeownage@lemmyonline.com 8 points 1 year ago

Phantasy Star Online.

Crazy Taxi.

Shenmue.

Dreamcast had a few really cool unique games.

[-] LucyLastic@beehaw.org 3 points 1 year ago

Metropolis Street Racer (the better known sequel being Gotham Street Racing on the XBox) was ahead of it's time, that they mapped out whole areas of a city and then divvvied it up into racetracks was mindblowing.

[-] jerkface@lemmy.ca 3 points 1 year ago

Midtown Madness did that to Chicago a couple years earlier. I seem to recall Vette did San Francisco? but I never saw it. Of course, Flight Simulator 2 did Seatle. ;-)

[-] LucyLastic@beehaw.org 4 points 1 year ago

Midtown Madness was more of an approximation of Chicago whereas MSR was a proper scale recreation of a 2km square for each of the 6 areas; every alleyway, every building (plus it had realistic physics). You could learn an area in MSR and then know your way around in real life.

At the time that was super futuristic

[-] jerkface@lemmy.ca 3 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago)

I'm disappointed to find out I haven't actually learned to get around the real Chicago, but that sounds very cool! I can't think of a well known game with a faithful representation of a city prior to I guess Spider Man? That's a big gap.

To think that in a few years, using real city locations will be the cheapest and easiest option, certainly as compared to building something convincing from scratch.

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[-] shapesandstuff@feddit.de 3 points 1 year ago

Finally got one a couple of years ago. Absolutely adore the thing. It also had incredible accessories that I'm still missing.

Fishing rod, steering wheel, keyboard, light gun..

It did a lot of thing that didn't really happen again until the wii.

[-] anji@lemmy.anji.nl 20 points 1 year ago

In a way, Crysis. There's a reason the "But does it run Crysis?" meme exists. Because most computers could barely run it on release. It was way ahead of its time technologically.

[-] knatsch@feddit.de 6 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago)

Almost the same with far cry used for Benchmarking years later

[-] LemmyAtem@beehaw.org 6 points 1 year ago

The water effects in Far Cry 1 were absolutely mind blowing at the time. It was one of the first things in a video game that I could feel the tangible stress it placed on the GPU. I could be looking away from it then as soon as it came into my field of view my GPU fan would sound like it was trying to fly off the motherboard.

[-] lloram239@feddit.de 5 points 1 year ago

Also in terms of gameplay, the freedom, the destructibility of the environment, there was a lot of really cool stuff you could do in the game. Later sequel sadly all turned that down and into a regular linear shooter.

[-] xtremeownage@lemmyonline.com 16 points 1 year ago

Farcry 2, IMO, was pretty far ahead of its time.

Being able to shoot individual limbs and twigs from trees.

Fire, that would intelligently spread.

Weapon durability which was visually impacting, as well as alerted the firearm's performance.

It had some really cool features for its time.

[-] ArghZombies@beehaw.org 9 points 1 year ago

I still don't think a game has used fire as effectively as this did, before or since. Even in later Far Cry games seem to have a much more fire-lite implementation.

[-] xtremeownage@lemmyonline.com 9 points 1 year ago

I can confirm- me and the wife just finished playing farcry 6, a week ago.

Fire... is meh. It doesn't spread. I remember having damn wildfires on farcay 2, which would be extremely dangerous.

Even, the physics for shooting limbs from trees appears to be gone now. That was a really cool feature.

For repairing cars, in far cry two, you would pop the hood, and do some stupid junk (that in no way would actually fix a car), but, it look pretty cool. In far cry 6, you just point a blowtorch as the body of the car.

[-] shapesandstuff@feddit.de 5 points 1 year ago

Same for healing. They included differen animations for different injuries, at least to some extent.

If the last damage you received was explosive the PC would pull shrapnell or a stick out of his leg.

It was such a visceral, immersive game.

[-] Deestan@beehaw.org 5 points 1 year ago

you just point a blowtorch as the body of the car.

I melt the broke.

Car good now.

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[-] Sordid@beehaw.org 15 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago)

Severance: Blade of Darkness. This game from the Spanish dev Rebel Act Studios is absolutely insane.

First of all, in gameplay terms, it's basically Dark Souls ten years before Dark Souls. All the basic elements are there - very difficult lock-on based combat with heavy emphasis on distance, timing attacks/blocks/dodges, and stamina management, several equipment slots for your left and right hand that you cycle through individually (and the same for consumables), non-linear level design with shortcuts to earlier areas, weapons that you might hang onto for their moveset even though they're not statistically the best... To be fair, there are some differences. The game is divided up into discrete levels rather than having an interconnected world, there's no magic, RPG elements are pared down to the absolute minimum, and the controls are atrocious even by the standards of the day. But looking back on it, I find it extremely hard to believe that From Soft didn't take some inspiration from this little-known title.

Secondly, there's the technical aspect of the game. Remember Doom 3? Remember those pre-release videos in which id Soft bragged about their new engine having 100% dynamic lighting with every single polygon casting an accurate real-time shadow? Yeah, guess what, Blade of Darkness had the exact same lighting system three years earlier. Ridiculous!

Daggerfall. Ah yes, the infamously undercooked open-world RPG from Bethesda. In some ways it was actually the last of its kind; nobody really makes old-school dungeon crawlers like this anymore. But it was also one of the first games that pioneered a procedurally generated world deliberately made too large for a single human to explore. With a world containing 320,000 square kilometers of wilderness and almost fifteen thousand locations of various types, it would take a lifetime to see everything. It's quite literally not built for human consumption, since you can never fully consume it. The best you can do is sample it. This achievement went thoroughly unappreciated at the time due to technical limitations making the vast world invisible and therefore pointless. The very faithful Daggerfall Unity remake can be modded with a draw distance of some 150 kilometers, however, and the sheer size of Daggerfall's world thereby revealed is extremely impressive to see. Despite its primitive graphics, it feels far more real than the compressed geography of Skyrim and Fallout. Ridiculously huge worlds that the player can never hope to fully explore would go on to be used in games such as Minecraft and No Man's Sky.

Turbo Esprit. I mean, just watch this video. Yes, that is a third-person open-world city driving game with realistic traffic and pedestrians, i.e. an early predecessor of GTA. It came out in 1986 and runs on a ZX Spectrum, a machine with 48 KB of memory.

Driller. The first game on the Freescape engine, a first-person shooter (of sorts) featuring fully 3D environments and enemies. In 1987. Running on the same machine as the previous game.

Jurassic Park Trespasser: the YouTube channel ResearchIndicates and one of the most informative Let’s Play videos of all time best explains this game.

Oh god yes, that's one of my favorite games and let's play series of all time. Hey, remember how Half-Life 2's physics engine blew everyone's minds with those seesaw puzzles where you had to weigh down one end with bricks or other items so that you could walk up the other? Yeah, guess what, Trespasser had that before Half-Life 1 even came out.

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[-] jrandomhacker@beehaw.org 9 points 1 year ago

I'll give a mention to FUEL, an open-world offroad racing game with a map that was over 5,000 square miles. The racing itself was fairly medium, but the absolutely massive open-world is something that I can see in Forza Horizon and some others

[-] Kerred@lemmy.ml 4 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago)

I recall reading on how they were able to make the map and was rather impressive. I love seeing how devs find some creative way to overcome a technical hurdle.

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[-] kartoffelsaft@programming.dev 9 points 1 year ago

I often hear about the original "Elite" in this context. It managed to do real time 3d rendering on home computers (albeit wireframe) in a time when that was usually relegated to pre-renders or supercomputers. Came out a good decade before making 3d games was more generally viable.

[-] fernandofig@reddthat.com 9 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago)

To properly qualify how groundbreaking Elite was for the time, for those who don't know it: it was a space sim that simulated 8 galaxies with 256 star systems each, each system with a star, a planet, and a space station. All of that was wireframe-3D rendered, had a lot of complexities like different ship and enemy types, different playloops like trading, mining and combat, and it was one of the few games of that time that pioneered open-world gameplay.

This was initially released on the mid-80's for 8bit computers of the time, which had anything between 48Kb to 128Kb of RAM, and thus, the game binaries was also that small - they accomplished that by also being one of the few games of the time that pioneered procedurally generated content.

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[-] cosmicsploogedrizzle@lemmy.ml 4 points 1 year ago

Not a game, but the Dreamcast as a system. Supported online play that was not/under utilized. Had a mini screen in the save game cartridge. I miss that system.

[-] wintermute@feddit.de 9 points 1 year ago

some genre pioneers

  • M.U.L.E. (Multiplayer Strategy)
  • ELITE (3D space sim)
  • Populous (Godmode RTS)
  • Maniac Mansion (Point & Click)
[-] Kerred@lemmy.ml 4 points 1 year ago

I rented Populous for SNES as a kid but they didn't have a manual so that was a pretty tough one to figure out.

Played the crap out of Maniac Mansion but didn't realize it was before the PC point and click craze

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[-] OfficialThunderbolt@beehaw.org 8 points 1 year ago

I would also add Shenmue on the Dreamcast. It was the first open world sandbox action/adventure game, with an amazing amount of content, and realistic (for the time) character modeling and animation, but sadly, few people played it. Many more people played Grand Theft Auto III, which came out several years after Shenmue.

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[-] BlackCoffee@beehaw.org 8 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago)

1 set of games that felt ahead of their time were Pokemon Gold/Silver and Crystal.

They had so many interesting mechanics and mechanics that (for some reason) were not introduced in the later games that it almost feels like robbery.

  • Day/night time switch with corresponding pokemon. I remember you could encounter night specific pokemon and also daytime pokemon in the night who were fast asleep when starting the battle.
  • Two regions in 1 game.
  • End boss as Red in MT silver
  • Rematches with trainers.
  • Pokewatch system overall
  • Hapiness system for Eevee evolutions
  • The encounter system for suicuine, Entei and Raikou
  • Pokemon crystal with the Battle tower.
  • Moving sprites in pokemon crystal.

Probably even more, but for me it is still the best designed pokemon game to date and really ahead of it's time.

It also felt like one of the last games that was oozing with the passion that the developers put in it.

[-] TheBaldness@beehaw.org 7 points 1 year ago

Star Raiders (Atari 8-bit) https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Star_Raiders

Looks primitive now, but was absolutely next level shit at the time.

[-] someguy3@lemmy.ca 7 points 1 year ago

Can you add the year for each of these? I'm not familiar with all of them.

[-] jerkface@lemmy.ca 7 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago)
  • Alternate Reality: The City -- texture mapped first person RPG from 1985

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  • Alternate Reality: The Dungeon -- same but with a virtual machine implementing the behaviour of the in-game objects so that the same VM code could be used on all platforms (with disparate processors). Having done some 6502 coding since then, it's not as impressive as it sounds -- you use VMs for everything, when your actual processor is so primative -- but I can't think of other games doing this sort of thing except for Infocom.

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They both had lyrics for the considerable amount of original music, which were displayed and highlit karaoke style when they played. Coming in out of the freezing rain into a cozy tavern, spending your last couple coins on a hot meal, and listening to the band while your character eats and recovers sounds like a very mundane, prosaic experience, but it had such an emotional reality that it was completely immersive. The feeling of warmth and safety is unforgettable.

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[-] Deestan@beehaw.org 7 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago)

Big Rigs Over the Road Racing would have blended in inconspicuously on Steam had it released 10-15 years later. At the very least it would no longer be remembered as "the worst game ever", and it may even have gained some "so bad its good" meme fame from streamers and made some sales.

[-] cyd@vlemmy.net 6 points 1 year ago

Ultima Underworld

It came out before Doom, had full isometric 3D environments including looking up and down, and contained immersive sim and RPG elements. All the ingredients of a modern first person action RPG... in 1992.

[-] FurtiveFugitive@lemm.ee 5 points 1 year ago

I have so many fond memories of Jurassic Park Trespasser. I remember my dad picked it up for me right around launch time. I had read the previews in PC Gamer magazine and was fully into the hype.

The game was really attempting VR before we had VR. There was no HUD. Your lifebar was a heart tattoo on your chest that emptied as you took damage. There was no ammo counter for your guns. Your character would say things like, "feels full" or "feels a little light" to give you an estimate of ammo remaining.

The biggest flaw, apart from the broken AI for dinosaurs, was just like VR, you had to aim manually. You could turn and twist your gun freely which meant you had to aim down the sights. In VR, in 2023, with motion controllers, this is amazing. But in 1998, with a mouse and keyboard, it was really awkward. It's a game I never finished.; Probably never even got close to finishing. But I was still in awe of the world they built and freedom offered in 1998.

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[-] jerkface@lemmy.ca 5 points 1 year ago

Rescue on Fractalus! was a first person 1985 game where you pilot an orbital landing craft from space to the surface of fractal generated mountainous planet. Blew my mind.

[-] whenever8186@beehaw.org 3 points 1 year ago

yeah I had that for the C64. The '3D' bit was cool but found it boring as hell to play. Same as the other Lucasfilm games. Having said that, them being pirated copies (thanks Dad!) and having no manuals probably didn't help.

[-] raijian@beehaw.org 5 points 1 year ago

Deus Ex (2000)

[-] ekZeno@lemmy.ca 4 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago)

Silent Hill and Resident Evil 1 for PS1

[-] Toxic_Tiger@beehaw.org 5 points 1 year ago

The radio in Silent Hill was genius. Rather than making the game easier, it amped up the tension when that static started up. Especially in the dingy locales that made up the majority of the game.

[-] ekZeno@lemmy.ca 4 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago)

I loved the camera view shifts and the fog elements, the whole game atmosphere knew how to go under you skin.

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Tomb Raider on PlayStation is what I say is way ahead of it's time which I think not many people give the game credit for.

It is one of the few early 3D games that nails the atmosphere and have tension. I always gets sense of adventure and I discovered part of the tomb by myself which I feel like modern games holds people's hand a little where it feels less fun and more I been told to do XYZ.

Also the way they did the water effect is impressive that they distort the texture UV postion I believe.

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