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I've updated the Digital Independence cheat sheet for leaving big tech (lemmy.world)
submitted 1 week ago by lukakopajtic@lemmy.world to c/buyeuropean@feddit.uk
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I never imagined the original post would go so viral and be seen by +6M people. But I guess it shows thereโ€™s real momentum โ€” and the perfect time to finally escape big techโ€™s grip.

I went through hundreds of reposts of the image and took in feedback from community comments. Iโ€™ve replaced USA-centralized apps like Brave and Bluesky with more open alternatives, and added self-hosting indicators.

As many of you recommended, Iโ€™ve also created an online version with descriptions that we can constantly update and improve.

Drop a comment if you have suggestions for a better alternative, improved description, or a feature for the site. Let's break free together!

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[โ€“] absquatulate@lemmy.world 31 points 1 week ago (3 children)

As with all impromptu lists, this one is pretty flawed. For example, as much as I love it, lineageOS is not useful for "digital independence" in any meaningful sense, since it's just a more cleaned up version of android. Or PeerTube, which can't really be considered a realistic alternative to yt. It's fine in itself, but it's so small and so hard to scale that you might just be better off giving up the yt format altogether. And then there's Thunderbird. I love it but it's a CLIENT, you'll still need a mail provider.

[โ€“] bloubz@lemmygrad.ml 4 points 1 week ago* (last edited 1 week ago) (2 children)

LineageOS uses microG which does mock some GSF API and reduce metadata sent through to the rest. GrapheneOS could be a better alternative but there isn't enough second hand Pixels available for everyone.

Peertube is perfectly fine and we should start using it and encourage creators to move to an instance

[โ€“] Comtief@lemm.ee 3 points 1 week ago (1 children)

I have no idea how to use PeerTube. Installed it on my phone, found no interesting videos to watch, at all. I wonder how would it scale, like how easy/hard would it be to find videos I'm interested in.

[โ€“] bloubz@lemmygrad.ml 3 points 1 week ago

Peertube is decentralized like Lemmy. I think you have to add instances you want to browse from

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[โ€“] psud@aussie.zone 4 points 1 week ago (2 children)

LineageOS is worse than that. You can't have it and also have local security as you cannot lock your phone bootloader with an unsigned image. You can't protect yourself from anyone with physical access to the phone.

[โ€“] jnod4@lemmy.ca 3 points 1 week ago (1 children)

So the moment you get lineage anyone with physical access can install bootloader things in your phone? Eg cerberus?

[โ€“] psud@aussie.zone 3 points 1 week ago

Can install any software

[โ€“] rippersnapper@lemm.ee 1 points 1 week ago

Not to mention the fact that a bunch of banking apps wonโ€™t work on LineageOS. You can try magisk as a workaround for some, but others just wonโ€™t.

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[โ€“] lath@lemmy.world 18 points 1 week ago (1 children)

It's a start, but the goal should be to have multiple options. Any monopoly can either be bought or abused and we should work towards making those as hard as possible.

[โ€“] lmuel@sopuli.xyz 6 points 1 week ago (1 children)

While Iโ€™d generally agree, I donโ€™t think fediverse platforms having a monopoly is as dangerous.

Social media requires a sort of monopoly to work well, I think federation is a good approach here.

[โ€“] lath@lemmy.world 2 points 1 week ago

Perhaps. It's still early to tell.

[โ€“] Libb@jlai.lu 17 points 1 week ago* (last edited 1 week ago) (5 children)

LibreWolf is not an alternative to chrome, it's a fork of FF. It won't run Chrome extensions... which chrome users would likely expect to be able to run.

For a Chrome alternative, I use Vivaldi (which is based in the EU)
As a Firefox alternative, I use Waterfox

[โ€“] dunidane 8 points 1 week ago (1 children)

What separates waterfox from firefox or librewolf?

[โ€“] Forester@pawb.social 7 points 1 week ago

Different Dev teams

[โ€“] blind3rdeye@lemm.ee 5 points 1 week ago

LibreWolf is listed as an alternative web browser; not an alternative way to run Chrome extensions.

Similarly, listing Mint as an alternative to Windows is about having an alternative computer OS. It is not about having an alternative way to run your Windows apps.

And Lemmy is an alternative 'ranked forum' (or whatever you want to call this). It is not an alternative way to read reddit threads.

[โ€“] swelter_spark@reddthat.com 4 points 1 week ago (3 children)

Any browser is an alternative to any other browser, IMO. They all have the same purpose.

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[โ€“] pimento64@sopuli.xyz 12 points 1 week ago

Droidify is just a bloated wrapper for F-Droid

[โ€“] asdfasdfasdf@lemmy.world 12 points 1 week ago (12 children)

IMO Gmail -> Thunderbird is a bit flawed since you'd still need a service provider. It could be Thunderbird + Posteo / others (please no ProtonMail).

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[โ€“] Chakravanti@monero.town 10 points 1 week ago* (last edited 1 week ago) (3 children)
  • Session
  • Signal
  • GPG2
  • VLC
  • Tuta
  • OpenKeychain
  • KeePassXC
  • NetGuard
  • Mullvad
  • Ironfox
  • BLE Radar
  • Transmission
  • Obfuscate
  • Monero/Haveno
[โ€“] bloubz@lemmygrad.ml 2 points 1 week ago* (last edited 1 week ago) (14 children)

Signal?

Lmao

Edit: some people don't seem to grasp the irony? Signal is a US company (and tied to the gov)

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[โ€“] paraphrand@lemmy.world 8 points 1 week ago* (last edited 1 week ago) (1 children)

I donโ€™t think piracy is a proper alternative to paying for commercial content.

Free content is.

So it shouldnโ€™t be on this chart IMO. Itโ€™s a separate topic. Itโ€™s not a good look to lump piracy in with open/free software ideology.

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[โ€“] BlastboomStrice@mander.xyz 6 points 1 week ago

Hello, very nice guide:)

I'd just like to bring to your attention, a very thorough comparison of messengers you might want to check๐Ÿ˜„

https://eylenburg.github.io/im_comparison.htm

[โ€“] magnetichuman@fedia.io 3 points 1 week ago (1 children)

Where can I find the best Android alternative for my old-ass devices that don't support Lineage OS?

[โ€“] MajorHavoc@programming.dev 4 points 1 week ago* (last edited 1 week ago)

For most of those devices, it depends what your goals are, but many privacy minded folks consider them unsalvageable.

If you can root the device, you could install the latest compatible version of the Android Open Source Project, and then use your newfound root powers to disable components you don't want, to the extent that the older versions of Android support doing so.

Technically, that's all LineageOS is doing for you. So if you're willing to put the effort in, the device can be salvaged. For most of us, it makes more sense to get a newer device, researching what OS-es are supported.

[โ€“] MischievousGT@feddit.org 3 points 1 week ago (2 children)

Last time I used thunderbird was many years ago, like 10 years or so. Can you create a mail adress there? How does it compare to other providers like Tuta, Proton, Posteo and others?

[โ€“] Libb@jlai.lu 9 points 1 week ago* (last edited 1 week ago) (1 children)

It's an email client, not an email provider. It can be used to receive/send emails from almost any provider, not to create new ones.

[โ€“] CannedTuna@sh.itjust.works 9 points 1 week ago (1 children)

Yeah, as Thunderbird is just a mail client, and not a provider, itโ€™s not really an โ€œalternativeโ€. It should list StartMail, Mailbox.org, Tutanota, etc. Since people are used to using web clients for emails, I donโ€™t think suggesting a desktop app that still requires an provider is necessary, just creates confusion.

[โ€“] Libb@jlai.lu 3 points 1 week ago

Yes, there are quite a few approximations in the list ;)

in the EU/Western Europe, as an e mail provider I would suggest in no order: maibox.org, proton, tuta and owning your own domain but that one last option (teh best one, imho) may already be too technical for most users.

[โ€“] DaGeek247@fedia.io 5 points 1 week ago

Yeah, I saw that one pretty quick and wondered why they did that. Mailbox.org is a better option than just putting 'thunderbird'.

[โ€“] calisti@lemmy.blahaj.zone 3 points 1 week ago

OpenSUSE Linux from Nuremberg!

[โ€“] inamorta345@lemmy.ml 2 points 1 week ago (1 children)

Total noob here, can stremio be used to escape big tech legally?

[โ€“] snail_stampede@midwest.social 2 points 1 week ago (2 children)

Not really, but big tech breaks the laws all the time so why shouldn't you?

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[โ€“] Allero@lemmy.today 2 points 1 week ago (7 children)

Nice, but highlighting a particular Linux distro might not be great. I see the point in minimizing amount of choices, but many people may not like default Mint experience.

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[โ€“] Routhinator@startrek.website 1 points 1 week ago* (last edited 1 week ago)

Its a bit odd to suggest Nextcloud for Google Drive but then leave it off the replacement list for photos and Docs. Use the Memories App in Nextcloud ans add Collabora and you have those features in Nextcloud too. News app = Google Reader, RePod+AntennaPod = Google Podcasts, Nextcloud Talk instead of Google Meet and Zoom. (just add cloud hosted stun/tun server for performance video chat when hosting from home.)

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