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https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/President_of_Turkey#Eligibility

Arrest of Opposition's (Presumptive) Candidate: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Arrest_of_Ekrem_%C4%B0mamo%C4%9Flu

On 19 March 2025, Istanbul Mayor Ekrem İmamoğlu from the opposition Republican People's Party was arrested by Turkish police for alleged corruption, extortion, bribery, money laundering and supporting terrorism, particularly the PKK. His arrest, along with that of more than 100 other people, caused widespread protests and demonstrations.

Since November 2024, AKP actions against opposition representatives heated up. On 18 March 2025, Istanbul University annulled İmamoğlu's degree, citing irregularities. As Turkey's presidential candidates must hold an university degree, this would effectively block him from running for president. The decision came just days before the opposition party was set to nominate him.

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[–] dotdi@lemmy.world 197 points 2 days ago (1 children)

All together, say it with me: not a democracy.

[–] _druid@sh.itjust.works 75 points 2 days ago (1 children)

Haven't you heard? Autocracy is all the rage these days. Just where have you been, darling?

[–] axh@lemmy.world 40 points 2 days ago

Erdogan did autocracy before it was cool!

[–] ragingdachshund@lemm.ee 36 points 2 days ago

How absolutely trumpian: weak, pathetic, cheats because it’s the only way to win, whines and cries about fucking everything.

[–] index@sh.itjust.works 79 points 2 days ago

erdogan is a dictator

[–] Microw@lemm.ee 61 points 2 days ago (1 children)

Turkish government in early 2025: let's start peace talks with PKK

Turkish government in March 2025: let's arrest our main competition for bogus terrorism charges related to the PKK

PKK is their eternal bogeyman/scapegoat. I doubt they were ever serious about talks.

[–] Artyom@lemm.ee 22 points 2 days ago (1 children)

That becomes a far less impressive fact when you realize it wouldn't even have disqualified Trump.

[–] gamer@lemm.ee 3 points 1 day ago

University degrees are a dime a dozen

[–] acockworkorange@mander.xyz 23 points 2 days ago

That anything but due process can annul anyone’s university degree is just mind boggling. “Here’s the proof of your efforts… psych!”

[–] Treczoks@lemmy.world 41 points 2 days ago

And Erdogans own degree is supposed to be questionable, too.

[–] Wilco@lemm.ee 14 points 2 days ago (4 children)

This is why a felon can be the US president. I hate the fact that the US elected a felon ... but anyone over 35 can run.

[–] ILikeBoobies@lemmy.ca 1 points 18 hours ago

If you couldn’t elect a felon then you can just make all your opponents felons

[–] IDKWhatUsernametoPutHereLolol@lemmy.dbzer0.com 5 points 1 day ago* (last edited 1 day ago)

Felons being president is not the issue.

The issue is the people willing to vote for such morally bankrupt con-artist.

Being able to elect a Felon is kinda like jury nullification, but for electing presidents.

Like: Jury nullification isn't the issue, the issue is the jury is now ignoring a smoking-gun evidence that the accused have actually done the crime, and the jury is letting an actual bad person get away with it. Its not the system, its the people in the jury.

Edit: But also, Felons not being able to vote is total cringe. Like, how does it make sence to be able to run for an office you can't vote in?

[–] Sonicdemon86@lemmy.world 7 points 2 days ago (1 children)

We should have it that if you can't vote then you don't pay taxes. NO taxation without representation. Either the felons get their voting back or everybody will want to be a felon.

[–] InverseParallax@lemmy.world 2 points 1 day ago

I mean, then everyone who isn't a felon can vote for felons to pay 3x taxes without voting.

[–] MachineFab812@discuss.tchncs.de 8 points 2 days ago (2 children)

The Executive Branch's (ie, the President's) capacity to felonize anyone is precisely why we can't keep felons out of public office. Meanwhile, millions of felons who have paid their debt to society, and more, remain unable to vote.

I hate the fact that so-called leftists are still using the felon thing as a talking point. At least it gives you neo-liberals/neo-cons a way to out yourselves I guess.

[–] IDKWhatUsernametoPutHereLolol@lemmy.dbzer0.com 1 points 1 day ago (1 children)

I hate the fact that so-called leftists are still using the felon thing as a talking point.

The point is because it's essentially a OJ Simpson situation. We know the accused did it, but the jury is ignoring it.

Felons should be allowed to run, but the people shouldn't vote in someone that have actually done the crime. Its more of a Jury Nullification thing, its a last resort against unjust disqualification, but here, the Jury (the voters) is ignoring all evidence and just acquiting anyways.

[–] MachineFab812@discuss.tchncs.de 1 points 2 hours ago

... and that's what the non-leftist "leftists" don't get. There's no point emphasising a talking point from a conversation that's already been had.

There's no point addressing Trump from the angle of "Well i would never vote for him because..." That's great, but see, the rest of us asked why we should vote for the OTHER guy/gal when their party is gonna change fuck-all.

Guatanamo was supposed to be closed TWO Democratic presidents ago, Student loans forgiven four years ago, and neither of them did much of anything for the Israeli/Palestine two-state solution backed by George W BUSH, of all people.

HOW THE FUCK ARE WE SUPPOSED TO BACK ONE PARTY THAT'S BEEN GLADHANDING GENOCIDE OVER ANOTHER?
Not Happening

[–] Natanael@infosec.pub 3 points 2 days ago* (last edited 2 days ago) (1 children)

It's specifically about what kind of crimes he committed (fraud, putting others in danger) and that he's continuing to commit crimes without remorse that is the problem, not some long past history.

People can change, but they have to want to change, and Trump does not.

[–] MachineFab812@discuss.tchncs.de -1 points 1 day ago* (last edited 1 day ago) (1 children)

Y'all spend so much time on character assassination, and near-zero time distinguishing "leftist" policies, and therefore candidates, from fascist ones. Its pathetic.

Bush W snorted cocaine. Obama smoked pot. Made zero difference their times in office.

[–] Natanael@infosec.pub 2 points 1 day ago (1 children)

Trump's non-stop racism like not allowing black people to rent anything in his properties isn't comparable to drug convictions. His mafia ties throughout his whole life aren't comparable to petty theft convictions. Him suing contractors to avoid paying isn't comparable either. A whole damn insurrection is very far from it too.

How do you convince people somebody like Trump is dangerous without pointing to their actions?

[–] MachineFab812@discuss.tchncs.de 0 points 2 hours ago

*Yawn. * Attacking Trumps character does nothing to convince anyone to vote for the other guy. It's a distraction from those fascist policies which the Democratic party doesn't really want to change, which is basically all of them.

Guatanamo was supposed to be closed TWO Democratic presidents ago, Student loans forgiven four years ago, and neither of them did much of anything for the Israeli/Palestine two-state solution backed by George W BUSH, of all people.

HOW THE FUCK ARE WE SUPPOSED TO BACK ONE PARTY THAT’S BEEN GLADHANDING GENOCIDE OVER ANOTHER? Not Happening

[–] olafurp@lemmy.world 11 points 2 days ago

That's such an Ataturk policy to have.

[–] skozzii@lemmy.ca 9 points 2 days ago (2 children)

They were so close to taking him out with a F-16 a few years ago in a coup ... imagine how different things could have been.

[–] chaogomu@lemmy.world 4 points 2 days ago

Yes, imagine if the coup attempt was real.

As a hint. It wasn't. Especially not the helicopter ride. That part was so staged it's comical.

Except that the coup was very real. Turned a democracy into a dictatorship with one scripted helicopter ride.

[–] morrowind@lemmy.ml 2 points 2 days ago (1 children)

I don't care how bad it is, there's no way a coup would not have made it worse

[–] leftytighty@slrpnk.net 0 points 2 days ago (2 children)

Having the military defend the Constitution against tyrants is an idea baked into a lot of cultures, and is true of Turkey. It was a core idea of the Turkish Republic

[–] OmegaLemmy@discuss.online 2 points 18 hours ago

i find it funny that they arrest people in military who swear by an unofficial 'laiklik' (secular) oath, like, this is literally one of the core tenets of kemalism and the military isn't even stepping in to prevent these arrests, why are they even getting arrested for swearing an oath to being secular? Genuinely fucked up hilarious villainy going on

[–] Ledericas@lemm.ee 3 points 1 day ago

he pressured the university to anull the degree, i dont think thats even possible. Columbia uni has done something similar bowing to trump, but i dont think it actually can do that.

[–] possiblylinux127@lemmy.zip 7 points 2 days ago

Turkey also is one of the most censored counties

[–] Gammelfisch@lemmy.world 2 points 2 days ago

No wonder the Orange Turd wants to sell the F-35 to Erdogan's Turkey. This is the kind of shit the GOP is taking notes on.

Belarus, Hungary and Turkey... I'm sorry for the people who were not borne in a country next to those.