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After 20 years, Michelle Williams is just as confused as the rest of us by a major Academy Award injustice.

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[–] CallateCoyote@lemmy.world 34 points 2 days ago (3 children)

And Stanley Kubrick never won shit. These award shows are nonsense. Just the industry jerking itself off.

[–] buddascrayon@lemmy.world 4 points 1 day ago

Had a boss at a video star joke often that the reason Titanic won so many awards including best picture was because everybody in Hollywood worked on the damn thing and they weren't going to not vote for their own work.

Not necessarily running that movie down but there were a lot of really goddamn good movies that came out that year that got absolutely no attention whatsoever.

[–] Blackmist@feddit.uk 4 points 2 days ago

And specifically the cinema owning part of it.

[–] ZephyrXero@lemmy.world 5 points 2 days ago* (last edited 2 days ago) (1 children)

Every time someone would mention Crash I would be confused and think about the weird late 90s movie about people getting it on in crashed cars I saw a trailer for once

[–] andyburke@fedia.io 24 points 3 days ago (2 children)

The Shawshank Redemption would also like a word.

[–] niktemadur@lemmy.world 4 points 1 day ago

Goodfellas: (clears throat)

[–] mysticpickle@lemmy.ca 27 points 2 days ago (2 children)

I mean it was a good year for movies overall

In addition to Shawshank there was Forrest Gump and Pulp Fiction it was up against.

The real tragedy was Saving Private Ryan losing it to fucking Shakespeare in Love 🤮

[–] Glytch@lemmy.world 12 points 2 days ago (2 children)

Forrest Gump was a terrible movie. It's just boomer masturbation.

[–] buddascrayon@lemmy.world 3 points 1 day ago

It wasn't a terrible movie in my opinion but it was absolutely a boomer masturbation.

[–] DragonTypeWyvern@midwest.social 14 points 2 days ago* (last edited 2 days ago)

Including some pretty relentless bigotry and whitewashing pretending to be inclusive.

[–] Fredselfish@lemmy.world 5 points 2 days ago (1 children)

Wait is that fucking true? That total bullshit. I couldn't get through 3 minutes of that Shakespeare movie.

[–] mysticpickle@lemmy.ca 2 points 2 days ago

As much as it enrages me to say so, yes 🤢

[–] whotookkarl@lemmy.world 27 points 3 days ago

Easy, awards aren't granted on technical or creative merit as often as they are praising the people and institutions the award electors prefer.

[–] aesthelete@lemmy.world 9 points 2 days ago

Crap is what it was. The academy's award of that as best picture also caused the Oscar bait pictures for the following decades to follow its crappy format as well. Resulting in a lot of poorly made, multi-threaded bore fests that couldn't even live up to the bar of that POS.

[–] 1984@lemmy.today 15 points 2 days ago (1 children)

Brokeback Mountain was a much better movie than Crash.

[–] blitzen@lemmy.ca 6 points 2 days ago (4 children)

Both movies suffer from making societal statements, Crash about race and Brokeback Mountain about acceptance of homosexuality.

Both movies were nominated so we could pat ourselves on the back. Neither movie was particularly good.

[–] buddascrayon@lemmy.world 1 points 1 day ago

Isn't "Crash" that movie about people who get horny from car crashes?

[–] jpreston2005@lemmy.world 2 points 2 days ago

Counter point, Brokeback Mountain was brilliant

[–] shalafi@lemmy.world 4 points 2 days ago

Haven't seen either in ages, probably never will again. Crash struck me as hamfisted, but pretty good for a single viewing. Brokeback Mountain hit hard in the feels, maybe a little too hard, but I didn't get the "in your face" vibe I got from Crash.

[–] DonaldJMusk@lemmy.today -5 points 2 days ago

Great points!

[–] Alloi@lemmy.world 2 points 2 days ago

20 years ago i was ten, and both of these movies were boring and sad. I was too busy ripping beyblades, trading yugioh card, playin smash bros, and rewatching the cinematic masterpiece and tour de force that is The Mummy, starring the Brendan Fraser, for my autistic bedtime ritual....every. single. night. and so i could not give one single fuck about some lame ass award show for rich people, or how they felt about its outcome afterwards.

however, watched both films once, enjoyed them enough. and much like virtually every award grabbing drama film, they dont really have a rewatch factor to me. they get 3 big booms, out 5.

[–] hperrin@lemmy.ca 1 points 3 days ago (1 children)

The extra quotation mark in this headline is confusing.

[–] tedd_deireadh@lemmy.world 6 points 2 days ago (1 children)

The single quotation marks around Brokeback Mountain and Crash are to indicate they're titles of a movie.

[–] hperrin@lemmy.ca 7 points 2 days ago (1 children)

Isn’t the ending one around Brokeback Mountain an apostrophe?

[–] tedd_deireadh@lemmy.world 2 points 2 days ago (1 children)

It is, but I believe it's performing double duty as both an apostrophe and ending the single quotation mark. I'm not an expert though. Just a guess :)

[–] hperrin@lemmy.ca -2 points 2 days ago (1 children)

I know using ChatGPT as a source is frowned upon, but I couldn’t find a rule anywhere online, so I asked it:

When using an apostrophe to indicate possession of a noun surrounded by quotation marks, like a movie title, does the apostrophe go inside the quotation marks, like ‘Hello’s’, outside the quotation marks, like ‘Hello’’s, or collapse into the quotation marks, like ‘Hello’s?

Great question! When using an apostrophe to indicate possession with a noun that is a title in quotation marks, the apostrophe goes outside the closing quotation mark. Here’s how it works:

* Correct: “Hello”’s
* Not: “Hello’s” (this incorrectly places the apostrophe inside the title)
* Not: “Hello’s (this leaves the quotation mark open)

This is because the possessive 's applies to the entire title—not to the word within the title. So you close the title with its quotation mark first, then add the 's.

Example in a sentence:

* “The Godfather”’s influence on modern cinema is undeniable.

Let me know if you want the Chicago Manual of Style or AP Style breakdown, too—there can be slight nuance depending on the guide you’re following.

Yes, I’d like the AP Style’s breakdown.

Absolutely! Here’s how AP Style handles it:

In AP Style, punctuation generally goes inside quotation marks—except in specific cases, like possessives and certain compound constructions, where clarity and logic override that default.

Possessive with Quoted Titles in AP Style:

* Correct (AP Style): “Hello”’s
* Why? The apostrophe-s is not part of the quoted material—it is possessive of the title, so it comes after the closing quotation mark.

This holds even though AP typically puts punctuation inside quotation marks. Apostrophes (and sometimes question marks, colons, etc.) can fall outside if they’re not part of the original quoted material.

Example:

* “Titanic”’s box office success broke records.
* NOT: “Titanic’s box office success broke records. (This changes the quoted title.)

Let me know if you want comparisons with Chicago or MLA too, since they can differ slightly in punctuation logic.

Yes, what are the differences with Chicago Style?

Great—here’s how Chicago Style differs from AP Style when it comes to possessives and quotation marks:

Chicago Manual of Style (CMOS):

Chicago is more logical and grammatical in its approach, rather than typographically conventional. It places punctuation inside or outside quotation marks depending on whether it’s part of the quoted material.

Possessive with Quoted Titles:

Chicago agrees with AP here:

* Correct (Chicago Style): “Hello”’s
* The apostrophe-s goes outside the quotation marks, because it’s not part of the title—it applies to the entire quoted title as a unit.

CMOS example:

* “The Godfather”’s legacy is huge.

So for possessives, both Chicago and AP agree: apostrophe-s follows the closing quote, because the quote contains the noun, and the apostrophe applies to the noun, not to the quote itself.

Where They Differ:

* Commas and periods:
* * AP Style always puts them inside quotation marks.
  * * He said, “Hello.”

  * Chicago Style puts them inside as well—but only when they’re part of the sentence’s natural flow. It allows more flexibility with question marks, colons, and semicolons.

* Other punctuation (colons, semicolons, etc.):
* * Chicago places them outside unless part of the quoted material.
  * AP generally avoids this construction or rewrites to keep punctuation inside.


So in your case—possessives of quoted titles—Chicago and AP actually align, which is rare!

Let me know if you want MLA or APA comparison too—they get even more nuanced.

When using a single quote around the title, does the same rule apply?

Yes—the same rule applies when using single quotation marks around a title. The apostrophe-s for possession still goes outside the closing quotation mark, regardless of whether the quote is single or double.

Why?

Because the 's is not part of the title, but a grammatical addition to it. So whether you’re using double quotes ("Title") or single quotes ('Title'), the possessive follows the same logic.

Examples:

With double quotes (standard in American English):

* “Inception”’s plot is complex.

With single quotes (often used within another quote or in British English):

* ‘Inception’’s plot is complex.

Note that it looks a bit clunky, especially with single quotes, because you get back-to-back apostrophes: 'Inception''s.

But it’s still correct. The first ' closes the title; the second 's makes it possessive.

If you’re writing for style, you might sometimes rephrase to avoid the awkward look:

* Instead of: ‘Inception’’s themes are deep.
* You could write: The themes of ‘Inception’ are deep.

Let me know if you’re writing in British English or academic style—single vs double quotes can be reversed depending on the context.
[–] DragonTypeWyvern@midwest.social 4 points 2 days ago* (last edited 2 days ago)

Could just look it up in the style guides they mention