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[–] SocialMediaRefugee@lemmy.world 19 points 3 days ago

Can we prove AI can do the job of the CEO?

[–] umbrella@lemmy.ml 68 points 4 days ago* (last edited 3 days ago) (2 children)

thats a golden opportunity for some sweet malicious compliance.

let ai fuck their codebase then get paid for the long time you'd need to fix it. punish their money for being dumb, and do it by giving them exactly what they want.

[–] lka1988@lemmy.dbzer0.com 5 points 3 days ago* (last edited 3 days ago) (3 children)

More like they'll fire you for not babysitting it, then hire some "techy" dudebro at half the wage to keep babysitting it until they get the prompts right (by sheer dumb luck), then fire the dudebro.

[–] echodot@feddit.uk 1 points 2 days ago (1 children)

The dudebro doesn't know how to program, they'll just vibe code all over the place and it won't be any better.

[–] lka1988@lemmy.dbzer0.com 1 points 2 days ago

Yeah, that was the implication.

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[–] disgrunty@feddit.uk 10 points 3 days ago (1 children)

I cannot wait for Shopify to go away. Yet another company that feels like an infestation.

[–] lka1988@lemmy.dbzer0.com 3 points 3 days ago

Right?

"Oh you typed in a phone number/email address in a required field? Here's some spam you never asked for that we want you to confirm so we can continue spamming you, please bro just confirm it bro, just type in the code we sent you bro"

[–] hamsterkill 64 points 4 days ago (11 children)

Why do I get the feeling that the hot new thing for CEOs to do is ask AI whenever they need to make a decision. Would explain a lot.

[–] NotMyOldRedditName@lemmy.world 16 points 4 days ago* (last edited 4 days ago)

Hey Tobi, why do need to pay you any bonus moving forward? What did you do the AI couldn't?

[–] floquant@lemmy.dbzer0.com 9 points 4 days ago

I know for certain the CEO at my company is like that. Not even how or why to do something, but what we should do. Fucking mental

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[–] Keener@lemm.ee 232 points 4 days ago (1 children)

Former shopify employee here. Tobi is scum, and surrounds himself with scum. He looks up to Elon and genuinely admires him.

[–] Paradox@lemdro.id 26 points 4 days ago (3 children)

Shame, because I used to actually admire how he handled layoffs. Was a far sight better (from outside looking in) than the "thanks, here's one extra paycheck, send your laptop back at your expense please" I'd experienced

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[–] MashedTech@lemmy.world 7 points 3 days ago

You know what happens when you use too much AI? Some important skills atrophy, and when you need to do the more complex job that the AI can't do, it will be even harder to do the more complex thing, because you've lost some base skills you rely on.

This doesn't apply only to coding: https://lucianonooijen.com/blog/why-i-stopped-using-ai-code-editors/

[–] x00z@lemmy.world 21 points 3 days ago

Dystopian.

Also:

[–] jordanlund@lemmy.world 106 points 4 days ago

Dear Tobi Lütke - AI can do your job too. Care to comment?

[–] Gerudo@lemm.ee 66 points 4 days ago

Should ask the AI model if a CEO is required

[–] Gudl@feddit.org 59 points 4 days ago

CEOs are obsolete

[–] besselj@lemmy.ca 86 points 4 days ago* (last edited 4 days ago) (13 children)

What these CEOs don't understand is that even an error rate as low as 1% for LLMs is unacceptable at scale. Fully automating without humans somewhere in the loop will lead to major legal liabilities down the line, esp if mistakes can't be fixed fast.

[–] CosmoNova@lemmy.world 30 points 4 days ago (1 children)

Yup. If 1% of all requests result in failures and even cause damages, you‘ll quickly lose 99% of your customers.

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[–] darkpanda@lemmy.ca 82 points 4 days ago (2 children)

Dev: “Boss, we need additional storage on the database cluster to handle the latest clients we signed up.”

Boss: “First see if AI can do it.”

[–] NuXCOM_90Percent@lemmy.zip 29 points 4 days ago

Currently the answer would be "Have you tried compressing the data?" and "Do we really need all that data per client?". Both of which boil down to "ask the engineers to fix it for you and then come back to me if you are a failure"

[–] ramielrowe@lemmy.world 24 points 4 days ago

A coworker of mine built an LLM powered FUSE filesystem as a very tongue-in-check response to the concept of letting AI do everything. It let the LLM generate responses to listing files in directories and reading contents of the files.

[–] SabinStargem@lemmy.today 20 points 4 days ago (1 children)

I like AI, but we are still in the biplane era of development. It will take a long time before it can handle most things, let alone unsupervised.

If Shopify goes follows through with imitating Musk's stupidity, I expect the company to end up as a case study.

[–] MangoCats@feddit.it 14 points 3 days ago

Well, first the CEO is asking for proof of a negative, so anyone with a logical brain cell just has to shake their head and repeat "it's for the paycheck."

We can assume CEO means "show me you tried to use AI and it's not working well enough," which isn't all that bad of a directive but it's got the huge gaps of "do your people really know how to use AI?" and "are they using the correct, latest versions of AI for the task they are attempting?" But, it may stand up a few use cases for AI that would have otherwise used expensive meat sacks to do what must be fairly boring rote recitation work if they can be adequately replaced by AI.

The problem comes when senseless metrics get pushed down that amount to: a certain number of AI projects must be greenlighted, regardless of how dreadful they are in practice.

AI is a tool, it can save labor, it can relieve human employees of tedious work, it can't do everything. All this "big personality" top level management of large and very large organizations with broad stroke metrics leads to mass stupidity when the underlings blindly follow orders, and I suspect - within its limitations - AI will always follow orders, so getting AI into middle management will only magnify the idiocrazy.

[–] drmoose@lemmy.world 36 points 4 days ago* (last edited 4 days ago) (3 children)

I develop AI agents rn as part time for my work and have yet to see one that can perform a real task unsupervised on their own. It's not what agents are made for at all - they're only capable of being an assistant or annotate, summarize data etc. Which is very useful but in an entirely different context.

No agent can create features or even reliably fix bugs on their own yet and probably not for next few years at least. This is because having a dude at 50$ hour is much more reliable than any AI agent long term. If you need to roll back a regression bug introduced by an AI agent it'll cost you 10-20 developer hours as minimum which negates any value you've gained already. Now you spent 1,000$ fix for your 50$ agent run where a person could have done that for 200$. Not to mention regression bugs are so incredibly expensive to fix and maintain so it'll all scale exponentially. Not to mention liability of not having human oversight - what if the agent stops working? You'll have to onboarding someone on an entire code base which would take days as very minimum.

So his take on ai agents doing work is pretty dumb for the time being.

That being said, AI tool use proficiency test is very much unavoidable, I don't see any software company not using AI assistants so anyone who doesn't will simply not get hired. Its like coding in notepad - yeah you can do it but its not a signal you want to send to your team cause you'd look stupid.

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[–] ImmersiveMatthew@sh.itjust.works 7 points 3 days ago (1 children)

I love AI and use it everyday, but right now it absolutely lacks logic, even the reasoning models and thus it really cannot replace a whole person outside of what 1 prompt can give you which is not a career.

[–] Bakkoda@sh.itjust.works 4 points 3 days ago

So basically a CEO

[–] 11111one11111@lemmy.world 24 points 4 days ago

Id tell them I can get AI to do anything they want. They're the ones who will be paying for me to spend not hours but days tweaking prompts to get whatever shit they want done that could've been done faster cheaper and better with appropriate resources so fuck it I'm in.

[–] futatorius@lemm.ee 7 points 3 days ago

So it Latke going to fund the resources needed to validate whether AI will work or not?

[–] Litebit@lemmy.world 58 points 4 days ago

ask why there is a need for CEO, a job that can be done by AI.

[–] ShittyBeatlesFCPres@lemmy.world 33 points 4 days ago (13 children)

Hard to imagine a CEO doing something that would make me less likely to apply or use their service.

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If you work there, run away fast.

[–] RandoMcRanderton@lemmy.world 30 points 4 days ago (3 children)

“Stagnation is almost certain, and stagnation is slow-motion failure.”

This has some strong Ricky Bobby vibes, "If you ain't first, you're last." I never have understood how companies are supposed to have unlimited growth. At some point when every human on earth that can use their service/product is already doing so, where else is there to go? Isn't stagnation being almost certain just a reality of a finite world?

[–] 0x0@lemmy.dbzer0.com 28 points 4 days ago (3 children)

At some point when every human on earth that can use their service/product is already doing so, where else is there to go?

Ooh, I know:

  • Charge more (for less)
  • Autocannibalize (layoffs)

I don't even have an MBA, can you believe that?

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[–] Atmoro@lemmy.world 19 points 4 days ago* (last edited 4 days ago) (1 children)

Let's all just make new companies that are unionized-cooperatives bringing all our coworkers into them

In this example that CEO isn't needed

[–] reksas@sopuli.xyz 2 points 3 days ago (1 children)

now is the best time for that since rich people are kicking people out left and right to replace them with ai. Maybe something good will come out of the ai maddness if people start doing this

[–] Atmoro@lemmy.world 1 points 2 days ago

If we all slowly nudge, & inspire to do the same then it'll create a domino effect. Gotta keep growing

[–] psvrh@lemmy.ca 27 points 4 days ago

Just reminding everyone that Lutke is a right-wing shitheel, and that he and Shopify explicitly platform, support and make money from Nazism.

Carry on.

[–] affiliate@lemmy.world 19 points 4 days ago

should just be a matter of saying “AI can’t do this job because it can’t properly do any job”. could even make that your email signature.

[–] MonkderVierte@lemmy.ml 15 points 4 days ago* (last edited 4 days ago) (1 children)
[–] taladar@sh.itjust.works 12 points 4 days ago (1 children)

AI is pretty good at spouting bullshit but it doesn't have the same giant ego that human CEOs have so resources previously spent on coddling the CEO can be spent on something more productive. Not to mention it is a lot less effort to ignore everything an AI CEO says.

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