This is a community in the spirit of "Am I The Asshole" where people can post their own bans from lemmy or reddit or whatever and get some feedback from others whether the ban was justified or not.
Sometimes one just wants to be able to challenge the arguments some mod made and this could be the place for that.
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Make sure you follow this instance's code of conduct. In other words we won't allow bellyaching about being sanctioned for hate speech or bigotry.
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I made a post about the Europeans who are being deported from Germany for being anti-genocide. https://lemmy.ml/post/28407953
A user repeated the now many times debunked lie that these victims facing deportation were "violent racist rioters". Blatant German propaganda, made up to smear opposition to the genocide in Palestine. Which Germany supplies 30% of the weapons for.
After calling them, and a few other users out for repeating the same lie, the moderators banned me.
As almost always happens with this kind of thing, you were not banned for posting the story, you were banned for being an asshole. Your post of the story is still up, and look at all the places it's being crossposted.
Put it in a different light: Country X puts someone to death because they kissed a person of the same gender in public or something. Everyone on Lemmy thinks that's incredibly fucked up, they start posting stories about it.
And then someone comes in and starts yelling about how that country and its authorities are backwards medieval idiots, and attacking anyone who tries to say anything different. Then they get banned. Which gives them a handy opening to start yelling in all directions about how the moderators are anti-queer horrible people who are trying to censor the truth about how repressive this particular government is.
No one said "violent racist idiots." Everyone said this is a bad thing. I have no idea the truth about the original issue, if the people were involved in property damage or not (and honestly I don't care either way, they shouldn't have been deported before a conviction and probably not after one even if so). But you were banned for being a twat about it and calling other people in the thread "pro-genocide" and "defending fascism" and "racist idiots."
I suspect some people do this on purpose, so they can proceed to pitch a fit about it here, and feed into the narrative that anyone at all on Lemmy is pro-genocide, so they can paint themselves as the rare voices in the wilderness who are anti-genocide and generally sow mudslinging among people to no purpose. YDI. Don't be a twat in the comments and you won't have these types of issues.
100% this and we see this happening all the time!
“I was banned by biased asshole mods!”
Then you look at their comment history and it’s rife with vitriol and antagonism.
I’m in an argument with a few of those trolls in another thread. Is there a social media platform out there that has private modlogs? Because I’d wager that’s where these people are from. They’re not used to having their shit shown.
Your post of the story is still up
The post they linked to is deleted, as is everything they ever posted on feddit.org, indicating that their instance ban ("reason: antisemitism") was done with the "remove content" checkbox checked.
I think it's on purpose.
There is a whole art form to creating a consensus view of reality that doesn't exist. One of the most important parts is repetition, from multiple apparently-different sources, with a ton of emotional weight behind it.
One of the constant through-lines from some small selected set of the users here is that lemmy.world, feddit.org, all the "main" instances are full of Zionists who will delete any criticism of Israel (and, also, any criticism of the Democratic Party). It's laughable nonsense, but they say it so loudly and so consistently that it's honestly kind of hard to resist it making it into the consciousness to some extent. I honestly don't know why they do this so consistently. But it's definitely noticeable once you start looking for it.
I had no particular idea whether this particular user was going to overlap with any "to save the world let's not vote for Kamala Harris" posting, just because they were pursuing some nonsense in this particular separate sense. But oh look...
https://ponder.cat/u/geneva_convenience@lemmy.ml?page=1&sort=Controversial&view=Overview
Literally the post one tick above this one, is urging people to save Gaza by letting Donald Trump win. Got it. Perfect sense. Wonder why.
My opinion of this issue is separate, so I'll post a comment with my feelings on it, but I wanted to ask you- is there anywhere in English that talks about this property damage? I tried looking everywhere but the only reporting in English I'm seeing is leaving out this alleged property damage, and I tried machine translating the few articles I could identify (I'm no longer fluent in German, which is frankly tragic, and I don't know how to get it back) all had the same angle as the article posted and no mention of damages.
I don't have time to translate right now but here's an article from Deutsche Welle that goes into some detail on the (alleged) property damage. Essentially it's tied in with the attempted occupation of the FU university in Berlin. Hope that helps!
You are an angel. This was very much what I was looking like. Thank you!
You're welcome! Glad it was useful :)
I have no idea. And, like I said, to me it's not relevant.
If the German government can conveniently overlook that Israel is killing people by the hundreds of thousands when they send weapons, then I can conveniently overlook any amount of property damage or "threatening employees" by people trying to stop that first thing. In fact I would say it is okay to downplay that second thing. I have no idea whether it even happened or not, but even if it did (and even if it had been proven, which I think no one is saying it was), it would be okay to me.
I'm just saying you can make that argument without also needing to be an asshole to people in the comments.
I don't know why your comment made me think you might know. Oh, well, thanks anyway.
And then someone comes in and starts yelling about how that country and its authorities are backwards medieval idiots,
Your argument doesn't stack up.
Authorities of a country putting someone to death because they kissed someone of the same gender would be precisely backward medieval idiots. And so would be anyone supporting this punishment
You actually not complied to the rules oft the community. Just because on .ml everyone who doesn't fully support hamas gets labeled as Nazi and then banned for rule 1 (racism) doesn't mean you can expect to call obvious abusive bullshit on other instances and get away with it.
And just to be clear: Israel doing horrific warcrimes and need to be stopped. German weapons supplies are a disgraces 21% for the AfD are fucking bad.
We "german lemmings" are with you on that, we just don't accept your lie talk about being "pro-genocide" if we don't fully support kidnappings of civilians from the other religious group in the conflict. We are sick of idiots accusing us of being Nazis while some of us live in fear that actual Nazis beat us up when we walk out of the door because we are on the spectrum, Jews, Muslims, have long hair, got outed as communists, or even being a supporter of the fkin green party.
Love the person is ignoring the one asking if just being accused should be an appropriate level for being deported
PTB but it was inflammatory. Truth often is.
There are many many people who wish your words were not factual, and the ban is not surprising to me
From reading your reaction to people who are politely disagreeing with you, YDI.
People calling an article a propagandist lie are not "politely disagreeing".
My reactions were incredibly charitable compared to how far-right extremist the other commenters were, who simply made stuff up to defend deporting people protesting a genocide.
It’s not about what they said. It’s about how they said what they said. They were not breaking the rules of the community. YOU did because you can’t conduct yourself like an adult when you get upset by the opinions of others. You showed your ass- therefore….
YDI.
It is frightening how many people are willing to defend Fascism these days.
I’d say BPR. I think you’re largely correct on the facts but you need to be able to express them without insulting a large portion of the community you’re in, or you can expect to be banned. I understand you probably think this is a uniquely horrible circumstance that rises above such ideas of decorum but that’s obviously not how people who disagree with you will see it.
So, I’d advise you to think harder before commenting because you’ll be a lot more effective in getting the facts out there if you do.
I'm not surprised. There's a post over there semi-ironically thanking Trump for truly shattering the global image of American superiority.
Meanwhile, the very same EU is falling prey to the exact same kind of demagogues we did. And no one but a few even brought that up.
Right wing populism isn’t just an America problem for sure.
You spelled "fascism" wrong.
Potato potato
YDI.
I'm not usually one to be a tone police bastard, but (hope I'm tagging this right) @LibertyLizard@slrpnk.net was right.
Rule #3 on Europe@feddit.org- "Be kind to each other, and argue in good faith. Don’t post direct insults nor disrespectful and condescending comments. Don’t troll nor incite hatred. Don’t look for novel argumentation strategies at Wikipedia’s List of fallacies." Emphasis mine. "No the German authorities are the racist idiots. And so is anyone agreeing with the German authorities." That's pretty obviously insulting.
I really want to stress that my judgement here is independent of the point you were making. No one provoked you. You can read the rules. You could easily have made your point without insulting someone, but you chose to be insulting. And don't get me wrong, you can take satisfaction in doing that, if you're doing it on purpose and you feel it's called for, but you still would've deserved it for breaking the rules of that space.
Rule 3 taken literally means you can't call nazis out as the shit stains of humanity that they are. Sometimes rules are too simplistic and tone policing is a really, really common one.
So like I said, there can be satisfaction in breaking the rules. But you're still going to get the obvious repercussions.
If I called a nazi a nazi and get punished for it, I'd wear that shit proud, not bitch about it. And things being the rules doesn't make them moral. But you can still deserve the reaction you got, even if you were right in everything you did, and when that happens, you should be thrilled, not complaining.
If I called a nazi a nazi and got punished for it, I wouldn't be posted to YPTB, because that's not power tripping. I'd be posting it everywhere else that there are nazis, and don't you want to come call one of them a nazi and collect your trophy ban?
YDI