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[–] LeninOnAPrayer@lemm.ee 7 points 1 week ago* (last edited 1 week ago) (30 children)

In a vacuum like this using the best and worst (dumbest?) example from each party.

But both parties as a whole serve the interest of capital. Their methods might be different. Their indirect/direct use of violence might be different. But they serve the same people with the same interest. AOC and Bernie are even saying that now. They've been criticizing the democratic party at all of their events.

Can the liberals stop pretending we can vote our way out of facism and please fucking join us on the left. Fucking please.

Fascism is here. Due process is gone. First amendment is gone. If you're waiting to vote again you're no different than someone in Russia thinking they can vote Putin out of power.

Grab a pitchfork (metaphorically speaking) and get organized.

Join PSL or DSA or anyone in your area resisting ICE. Now. Do it now.

Edit: For every downvote please comment with a different organization resisting ICE and organizing locally. Because if it's just criticism of the groups that ARE resisting it's not helping. Give people an alternative. I would LOVE people just listing groups that are resisting ICE in your area or nationally. Because that's all I want.

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[–] WatDabney@fedia.io 5 points 1 week ago (6 children)

I'm so fucking tired of this argument.

It's the same fucking bullshit loop every goddamned time. Somebody will say that the two parties are "the same" clearly meaning "the same in [this] particular sense, and then the pedantic assholes will all come swooping in and start nattering on about how that's completely wrong because they're not absolutely 100% identical.

Here's a fucking news flash for all you binaristic pinheads - there are more than two possibilities. We aren't just limited to "they're 100% the same" and "they're not the same at all." It's not only possible but certain fact that they ARE the same in many, many ways, and the fact that they're not the same in ALL ways doesn't change that.

Anyone who can't envision more than two diametrically opposed possibilities is a fucking moron, and I'm sick and tired of this argument being driven by fucking morons.

[–] Ferrous@lemmy.ml 8 points 1 week ago* (last edited 1 week ago) (1 children)

Agreed.

The notion of "both sides are the same" is a leftist critique that points out how both parties were long ago bought out and captured by special interests. The people hammering on this idea are especially critical at how, during the 2024 election, when the Democratic establishment was faced with a choice between bowing down to Israel and mitigating full-blown fascism, they chose to bow down to to Israel, commit genocide, and embarrassingly hand yet another win to Trump. All for them sweet AIPAC dollars.

Sure, AOC, the democrat's shining star of progressivism, has different policy positions than MTG, of the right's most outward and frothing fascists, but talk about a low bar... It's akin to saying "how can you say both parties are the exact same when one has a donkey mascot and one has an elephant? A donkey is not the same as an elephant - check and mate, tankie"

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[–] thejoker954@lemmy.world 4 points 1 week ago (3 children)

I think it's also selfishness. These dumbasses are still comfortable in life and so refuse to take off their blinders.

Nowhere in history have things gotten better by simply waiting.

But because things aren't bad for them it's not a problem.

The ole "First They Came" in action.

[–] WatDabney@fedia.io 7 points 1 week ago

It can be - certainly.

One of the basic dynamics of partisan politics, and one of the main reasons that parties decline, is that people wear a party label as a substitute for more meaningful action.

In this case, people who want to project an image of progressivism without actually doing anything practical to advance the cause adopt (or adopted - more so in the past) the "Democrat" label as a way to signal their progressivism. The fact that they wear the label is then folded into their self -image - they can be proud that they're progressive, because after all, they're Democrats, which proves it.

One problem though is that that only works as long as the Democrats are seen to be progressive. If they're no longer seen that way, then by extension the party faithful are themselves no longer progressive either.

So effectively, a criticism of the party is a criticism of the individual, so they have a vested interest in defending the party from criticism.

[–] Ferrous@lemmy.ml 4 points 1 week ago

Agreed. Their progressive Renaissance is always just one presidency away, and they will perpetually sacrifice however many Palestinians it takes to bide themselves time.

In other words, they will keep throwing bodies into the blood machine that is the American political experiment in hopes of a progressive renewal that will never happen. There is no red line for them - that is, a point where they'd consider "damn, we are fucking shit up heavy for the whole world, and we have a duty to tear ourselves down".

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[–] Blackmist@feddit.uk 5 points 1 week ago (3 children)

You do have to wonder if Republican voters are aware of what demographic controls Israel.

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[–] 60d@lemmy.ca 5 points 1 week ago

The parties are not the same, but they're both brands owned by conservatives.

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