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[-] Can_Utility@beehaw.org 30 points 11 months ago

These are all examples of the laws working as designed. The anti-abortion movement cares about precisely one thing: complete control over women’s bodies. An environment where doctors universally refuse to provide care to their patients for fear of incarceration isn’t a quirk of interpretation of an individual statute, it’s these laws working as intended.

And the man who placed the crucial three votes on the Supreme Court that brought us to this state is a toss-up to be returned as president in the next election. People need to wake the fuck up.

[-] correcthorsedickbatterystaple@kbin.social 7 points 11 months ago* (last edited 11 months ago)

not disagreeing with your first paragraph, but sort of adding that it's not a desire to control women's bodies - it's a desire to control everything. the society they want requires a "traditional nuclear family" run by a patriarch. a woman's body is one part of this and is the means not the end.

i am disagreeing with your second paragraph as it was the ghoul in the senate who placed 3 fascists on the supreme court.

[-] Can_Utility@beehaw.org 2 points 11 months ago

i am disagreeing with your second paragraph as it was the ghoul in the senate who placed 3 fascists on the supreme court.

I bow to no one in my disdain for Mitch McConnell, but all other things being equal, if Hillary Clinton had won in 2016 Roe would still be good law.

[-] Ranvier@sopuli.xyz 14 points 11 months ago* (last edited 11 months ago)

This drives me up the wall. People act like doctors can calmly watch someone decompensating and be like, okay, right now is the point that they will die without an abortion so we can intervene. If you wait until someone is about to die, well they're probably about to die no matter what you do. Like premature rupture of membranes for instance, if it happens early enough your doctor may be like, there's a very low likelihood you can carry this fetus without intact membranes long enough to get to viability before you become septic. So you do the abortion to prevent this and save their life easily. You don't wait until the poor woman is on death's door and be like, okay now we can pull out the dead fetus and rotting placenta. And maybe we'll be able to rescue you from severe septic shock let's cross our fingers. But that's what these lawmakers have created, intentionally or unintentionally. That's just one example but there's many other similar situations that could happen to anyone. Even if everything is very clear to the doctor, all it takes is some asshole conservative prosecutor to second guess them, harass them, drag them to court, revoke their license, get some hack pro life doctor to testify against them, get the doctor thrown in jail, etc. And anyways it's a healthcare decision between a patient and their doctor, the government has no place here, except for maybe helping to ensure access for all individuals who need prenatal care. I feel for the doctors that have to choose between these things though and would never want to be in that position.

[-] correcthorsedickbatterystaple@kbin.social 8 points 11 months ago* (last edited 11 months ago)

If you wait until someone is about to die

yeah, if you push someone out of the way of a vehicle, you could say (accurately) that they were about to die but now they're right as rain. but when someone is about to die because of an ever increasingly worsening medical scenario that unfolded predictably (that's a big part of it - the medical knowledge we possess being able to prevent the condition)... it's not like being on death's door will suddenly mean you're back to normal without great effort, cost, suffering, and risk.

imagine applying that to any other medical condition "yeah your head hurts / it's difficult to breathe / your toe is green / etc, but you aren't about to die yet. come back when you're brought in an ambulance"

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