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submitted 1 year ago by malloc@lemmy.world to c/reddit@lemmy.world

Video description as of 2023-06-23 10:15 PDT:

This video shows that Reddit refused to delete all comments and posts of its users when they close their account via a CCPA / GDPR request. Posts and comments may contain PII. Specifically, Reddit tells users that they must delete the content themselves, which isn't realistic if a user creates a lot of posts. Even if a user does delete their content, Reddit restores the content within a few days.

Video transcript:

  • 2023-06-13 @ 15:15 PDT: user states he deleted all posts and comments
  • 2023-06-16 @ 10:15 PDT (3 days later): user states all posts and comments have been restored
  • 2023-06-19: user decides to submit a legal request under CCPA to delete content
  • 2023-06-19 @ 11:07 PDT: user receives reply from "Reddit Legal Support" (RLS) which states they will delete the account but not the content associated with the account. It is up to the owner of the account to remove the content [e-mail contents reproduced below]
Reddit Legal Support (Reddit Support)
Jun 19, 2023, 11:07 PDT

Hello,

We would be happy to help you delete your Reddit account if you have one. Before we proceed please note:

 1. Account deletion is irreversible.
 2. Posts and comments must be separately deleted before deleting your account. If not separately deleted, the content of the posts and comments will remain visible and disassociated from any account. If you want your posts and comments removed, follow the instructions on our help page. 

Once the above mentioned information is removed to your satisfaction, please submit your deletion request by using your Reddit account and this form so we know it's really you making the request.

More information about account deletion is available in our Privacy Policy.

Kind regards,

Reddit Legal Support
  • 2023-06-19 @ 12:02 PDT: user replies back to RLS stating it is unrealistic expectation for end user to manually delete and alleges violation of CCPA [reply reproduced below]
Hello,

If I understand your response properly, you are refusing to delete all data associated with my account. I believe this is illegal and in violation of the CPR. In this case the onus is on you, Reddit, to delete all of the content associated with my account. 

It is besides the point but last week I already deleted all of the posts and comments associated with my account. However Reddit has since restored most of the content.

It is untenable to demand all users to manually delete content when Reddit itself does not provide a self-serve mechanism to mass-delete content. Some users have thousands of posts and millions of comments. 

Just as a reminder, my CPA request to delete my account and all associated data was made on June 19th 2023 and
must be completed by August 3rd 2023.
  • 2023-06-24 @ 10:45 PDT: user has not received a reply from RLS. He decided to painstakingly delete all posts and comments while screen recording the effort. Video continues with the user manually deleting posts for his account (https://www.reddit.com/user/nucleocide). Then fast forwards to the end of the segment where the last posts are deleted
  • 2023-06-25 @ 10:25 PDT: user discovers posts and comments are restored, again

User concludes video and clarifies why this is a violation of CCPA:

At this point it appears impossible to manually delete posts and comments on Reddit and expect them to stay deleted. 

By not deleting all posts and comments in an automated way there is no way to guarantee that no PII [Personally Identifiable Information] has been left behind.

For example ...

<user gives example of a comment from 6 months ago on his account which includes his real first name and last name. Screen capture shows the comment was edited recently>

Since there is no guarantee that every single post and comment is free from PII, Reddit must delete all comments and posts from an account upon receiving a GDPR / CPA request.

Reddit Discussion on "/r/videos": https://old.reddit.com/r/videos/comments/14je01k/reddit_may_be_violating_the_fucking_ccpa/

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[-] malloc@lemmy.world 33 points 1 year ago

Decided to expand on the original video and include a transcription of the events in the video. Hope this helps our visually impaired folks.

Personally, I find this disgusting. Hope Reddit gets litigated up the ass.

[-] Merulox@lemmy.world 10 points 1 year ago

Good work on the transcription, it must've taken a while to do.

[-] malloc@lemmy.world 7 points 1 year ago

Normally, transcription like this will take a long time. However, since it's largely text based (e-mails, viewing reddit) and relatively short. It was pretty easy to transcribe to text. With the help of some macOS features like copying and pasting from video, it became a non-trivial task.

I think I spent more time on formatting rather than on transcription.

[-] JackGreenEarth@kbin.social 3 points 1 year ago

@malloc Just so you and anyone else reading this knows, you can copy and paste text from images on any major OS, using 3rd party tools.

@Merulox

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[-] nevernevermore@kbin.social 4 points 1 year ago

Seriously, thank you for that extra mile. This is the kind selflessness that I remember on the old internet

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[-] HerrLewakaas@lemmy.world 18 points 1 year ago

This seems enough to me to sue them on grounds of violating the GDPR. Not sure where spez is going with this but paying GDPR fines will most definitely not do any good to reddit's profitability lol

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[-] static@kbin.social 13 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago)

Interesting, from a GDPR perspective this is unacceptable.
Pondering about a proper GDPR complaint.

some of my old reddit accounts might have > 1000 comments.

[-] malloc@lemmy.world 11 points 1 year ago

The video creator appears to be from California, since he was trying to claim account deletion under CCPA. If reddit legal support is also slow rolling account and associated content deletion as well for GDPR, then the legal blowback could be massive.

[-] static@kbin.social 5 points 1 year ago

I assume that they just don't have the infrastructure to do it, otherwise they would just use GDPR code for CCPA.

As a software developer: GDPR was a real pain to refit into an old legacy system. It's less of a pain if you know beforehand and can plan ahead.

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[-] eleitl@lemmy.world 5 points 1 year ago

My account is 16+ year old and has 300 k combined karma. I will be sure to contact my data protection officer to complain. Reddit needs an audit to document they wipe the db properly, and the data is gone from backups. Not just my data, anything they got on me.

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[-] yeeter@lemmy.world 12 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago)

Discord is worse. At least Reddit lets you delete everything you post. With Discord, if you are banned from a server, then there is no way to delete your posts in that server. That is insane to me in this day and age.

[-] oaklandnative@lemmy.world 7 points 1 year ago

Yes, reddit let's you delete everything you post but then they secretly repost it all a few days later. I'd argue that's worse because they make you think it's deleted but it's not.

This behavior is demonstrated in the video and many other reddit users have posted similar complaints recently. I have personally experienced the same issue.

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[-] NMSGalacticHub@lemmy.world 11 points 1 year ago

That's insane. I'm no lawyer but I've used the CCPA to get my info removed from a lot of those data-broker sites. It's always immediate, "Okay, we've removed your information." California better hit Reddit hard for this, and Europe too.

[-] RightHandOfIkaros@lemmy.world 8 points 1 year ago

Is anyone surprised at this?

I think Reddit should be forced to retroactively delete all comments and post history from users who have since deleted their account. If the user account was deleted, there is no reason they should be allowed to keep the data on that deleted account, period.

[-] MegaUltraChicken@lemmy.world 4 points 1 year ago

At the very least a company should be required to give the option to nuke your data when deleting an account. Not sure if this exists in any legislation but would be useful.

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[-] Maraval26@lemmy.world 8 points 1 year ago

That is crazy. I spent hours one week ago deleting manually all my comments. I had an empty profile. After reading this post I checked my account and all my comments are back. That is crazy. What a shit company. I’m hesitant to submit GDPR request since I feel like I’ll lost account access with comments still visible…

[-] overlordror@lemmy.world 4 points 1 year ago

I guarantee most power users are the ones who are upset about this change. Losing decades of content they created for free hurts reddit unimaginably. How many articles have you seen about SEO ruining Google and needing to append 'reddit' to searches?

Power users deleting their content ruins that search engine to reddit pipeline.

[-] Zardoz@lemmy.world 3 points 1 year ago

Tried this last night and my posts are back too. Thinking about editing each and replacing with some shit about spez. That will surely get it removed

[-] witch_of_winter@fedia.io 7 points 1 year ago

If anyone here lives in California and has had reddit violate their rights you can file a complaint here: https://oag.ca.gov/contact/consumer-complaint-against-business-or-company

[-] greenmarty@lemmy.world 6 points 1 year ago

EU GDPR - where to report if someone refuses to delete personal data.
List of institutions for each EU member.: https://edpb.europa.eu/about-edpb/about-edpb/members_en

[-] Maggoty@lemmy.world 5 points 1 year ago

Well shoot. I'm in California these days and recently deleted all my comments on Reddit. I'll have to monitor and see if they come back...

[-] witch_of_winter@fedia.io 5 points 1 year ago

Since some have been restored you can now file a complaint with California. https://oag.ca.gov/contact/consumer-complaint-against-business-or-company

[-] thatwill@lemmy.world 5 points 1 year ago

I made a GDPR request through reddithelp.com last night; maybe I shouldn't have bothered! Assuming I don't hear back, I'll resend the request via email then report them to the Information Commissioner (UK gov dept) if I've had no proper response.

By the way, I'm not sure if the California law is the same, but with a GDPR "right to be forgotten" request, the organisation must delete your data from their backups (or at least make sure your data will not be restored from a backup). Asking you to delete your own comments clearly won't meet that requirement.

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[-] Techie@lemmy.world 5 points 1 year ago

I really hope the GDPR is put to full use here.

I'm curious though, what would happen if someone sent a GDPR deletion request to a Lemmy instance? The server admin would then delete the posts and account, but what if some other instances had defederated after the user made the posts, how would it be possible to make sure the posts are deleted from those instances as well? In theory that could be hundreds of servers. I guess the user would have to reach out to each instance?

[-] samus12345@lemmy.world 5 points 1 year ago

Good question. Yes, it would be much harder because you're basically shotgunning your posts all over the place when posting here. I would think it's pretty much impossible to make sure that every single instance of it is gone.

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[-] Zuberi@lemmy.world 4 points 1 year ago

Call them out on LinkedIn. Bet.

[-] pollodiabolo@kbin.social 3 points 1 year ago

so the CEO known for sharing pornographic pictures of minors online does not respect people's privacy after all? who would've thought

[-] nevernevermore@kbin.social 3 points 1 year ago

I’m OOTL, spez did what now?

[-] 1st@kbin.social 4 points 1 year ago

Spez was a mod of /r/jailbait

Worth noting that at the time users did not need to agree to be a moderator, it could be thrust upon them. I've heard that he had comments both on the sub and comments defending it, but have not personally seen any proof of that.

It's not strictly untrue, but it has implications that I don't personally quite believe (though I'm willing to change that opinion if somebody has evidence).

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