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[–] melsaskca@lemmy.ca 55 points 6 days ago (1 children)

It's breathtaking how quickly the President of the United States and his good South African buddy can topple a superpower.

[–] CapriciousDay@lemmy.ml 24 points 6 days ago

Don't worry they've defunded all of the bodies that might have compiled any fair statistics so they can deny the downfall for a few years.

[–] eugenevdebs@lemmy.dbzer0.com 77 points 6 days ago (1 children)
  • Teachers are overworked, underpaid, some still using course work that hasn't been updated in years despite what the field has advanced
  • Students go into college due to the social expectation, some even unsure of what to get into as a career or even a class
  • Exceeding above the course requirements does nothing for your GPA, an A that got a "110%" and an A that got 90% are the same.
  • Students failing or passing still rack up debt for this social expectation
  • Teachers still failing to pay bills for this social need

Yeah AI is the fault here, its not the system at large been fucked over since Reagan.

[–] UntitledQuitting@reddthat.com 20 points 6 days ago (2 children)

Well yeah the education system is the burning tire fire and AI is tech bros pouring gasoline all over it

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[–] boughtmysoul@lemmy.world 27 points 6 days ago (2 children)

When I asked him why he had gone through so much trouble to get to an Ivy League university only to off-load all of the learning to a robot, he said, “It’s the best place to meet your co-founder and your wife.”

Yikes.

[–] Blackmist@feddit.uk 12 points 6 days ago

Where are these kids getting these ideas?

That only works if you're already fantastically wealthy.

[–] Furbag@lemmy.world 32 points 6 days ago (2 children)

Imagine paying tens of thousands of dollars (probably of their parents saved money) to go to university and have a chatbot do the whole thing for you.

These kids are going to get spit out into a world where they will have no practical knowledge and no ability to critically think or adapt.

This was true before AI, it's just going to be 10x worse with AI

[–] Rooty@lemmy.world 3 points 5 days ago* (last edited 5 days ago) (1 children)

Do you really think schools teach critical thinking and practical knowledge? State mandated education is geared to produce people who are smart enough to run the system and stupid enough not to question it. The fact that this dullard factory is being distrupted by what is essentially an electronic parrot speaks volumes about the whole charade.

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[–] tehciolo@lemm.ee 11 points 5 days ago

Capitalism went so hard it fucked up its future workforce

[–] FreeWilliam@lemmy.ml 11 points 5 days ago

I can confirm this is not just in the land of burgers. Back in the war from October to December, I fleed to Germany and went to school there, and the stuff I saw where absolutely disgusting: kids were using ipads (ibads) given to them by the school, the computers ran windows on them, and every time even a single task came up, they would directly resort to artificial unintelligence. When the "ceasefire" started and I finally went back to Lebanon, most of the kids were using Artificial unintelligence to write their essays as well. I don't blame these kids, they don't know better, they don't know how artificial unintelligence is trained from the stolen work of the people, they don't know what non-free software is, and they don't know how these devices/software are tracking their every move. It's up to the school's to teach them such and schools are doing a terrible job both in America and internationally.

[–] orcrist@lemm.ee 26 points 6 days ago

Yes and no. Remember that rich kids could always hire ghost writers. ChatGPT made that available to the masses, but that particular problem goes back centuries.

What we have seen is that the curriculum is often decided by a distant committee who actually doesn't understand life on the ground. In reality, there are easy ways for teachers to undercut the utility of ChatGPT, if they have the freedom to make changes. But that depends on teachers having control and the time to make changes to how they teach.

[–] HexesofVexes@lemmy.world 18 points 6 days ago* (last edited 6 days ago) (3 children)

Ah yes, goal misalignment at its finest.

The students need high grades to get a job, so they focus on ensuring that happens (AI use being the easy path).

The teachers have progression targets to meet, so they focus on ensuring this happens (keep the AI vulnerable assessments).

If you want to change a module as a teacher, good luck getting that work loaded when you should be implementing AI in your curriculum ^_^

If success is determined by a metric, the metric will go up. Any relation to actual increase in value is coincidental. Lol. Long ago someone tried to incentivize programers by giving abonus per bug fixed. Didn't last long before they blew through the bonus budget and realized the programers were putting in bugs so they could fix them. (Urban legend really... probably)

[–] moseschrute@lemmy.world 3 points 6 days ago* (last edited 6 days ago) (1 children)

It’s kinda funny cause usually isn’t it the AI agent that has a misaligned goal? Like when I say don’t die, and it discovers that pausing Tetris technical means you never die. But now it’s students that have been given the wrong goal: pass the test by whatever means (e.g. use AI).

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[–] RaoulDook@lemmy.world 4 points 6 days ago (2 children)

AI is bullshit and has no place in a school curriculum outside of computer science. Keep that shit away from children if you want them to have any critical thinking skills.

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[–] Sam_Bass@lemmy.world 16 points 6 days ago

Yet they keep shoving it down our throats forcing us to delete entire systems to be rid of it

[–] LovableSidekick@lemmy.world 20 points 6 days ago* (last edited 6 days ago) (1 children)

What's breathtaking is how clueless education system administrators are failing at their jobs. They've been screwing up the system for a very long time, and now they have a whole new set of shiny objects to spend your money on.

[–] aidan@lemmy.world 4 points 6 days ago* (last edited 6 days ago)

In my former school district they paid a ton to some consultancy firm to "use AI to optimize the bus route". The first day of testing the new route many kids didn't get home until after 9pm. They cancelled school for the rest of the week and then immediately reverted to the old route.

[–] happydoors@lemm.ee 11 points 6 days ago (2 children)

Unfortunately, I think many kids could easily approach AI the same way older generations thought of math, calculators, and the infamous “you won’t have a calculator with you everywhere.” If I was a kid today and I knew I didn’t have to know everything because I could just look it up, instantly; I too would become quite lazy. Even if the AI now can’t do it, they are smart enough to know AI in 10 years will. I’m not saying this is right, but I see how many kids would end up there.

[–] JackFrostNCola@lemmy.world 7 points 6 days ago (4 children)

This could be complete bullshit because im not an expert but i sometimes think that we could have a future where without testing and nurturing peoples critical thinking skills we end up with people who dont know how to create a rational argument or assess information they are given for its accuracy and authenticity, or to know when they are being deceived by malicious actors.

English writing assignments as simple as a book report require you to take different views and angles on something to understand it better and the nuances of the whole, but tell a LLM to write it for you and you are not developing that part of your own mind where you may learn to do things like see the whole story above the individual events noise, see things from others perspective/feelings and understand alternate world views. These are critical for having empathy for others and understanding the world around you.
And that is just one small example i came up with.

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[–] Nalivai@lemmy.world 6 points 6 days ago* (last edited 6 days ago) (3 children)

know AI in 10 years will.

That kind of the main problem: there is no indication that it will. I know one thing: current way LLM works, the chances that the problem of "lying" and "hallucinations", will even be solved are slim to none. There could be some mechanism that works in tandem with the bullshit generator machine to keep it in check, but it doesn't exist yet.
So most likely either we will collectively learn this fact and stop relying on this bullshit, which means there is a generation of kids who essentially skipped a learning phase, or we don't learn this fact, and there will be a society of mindless zombies that are fed lies and random bullshit on a second-to-second basis.
Both cases are bleak, but the second one is nightmarish.

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[–] Chessmasterrex@lemmy.world 3 points 6 days ago (2 children)

Prelude to the society Vonnegut wrote about in 'Player Piano' and Bradbury in 'Farenheit 451'

[–] ProdigalFrog@slrpnk.net 3 points 5 days ago

And Isaac Asimov's The Feeling of Power, a short story about a man who can do mathematics in his head, a skill long forgotten after computers do all calculations for humanity.

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