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Added context is mine. Its like he wants the SNP to take over Holyrood next year. Not doing his little Englander image any good in Scotland with comments like this, just another colonialist

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[–] ladel@feddit.uk 10 points 2 weeks ago (1 children)

No PM is really going to want to agree to one. It's going to take a lot of pressuring and strong SNP showings in both parliaments to get to a stage where a PM considers it.

[–] Olap@lemmy.world 6 points 2 weeks ago (1 children)

Yes, understandable, but he could have not answered too

[–] essell@lemmy.world 4 points 2 weeks ago

The most annoying thing politicians do is not answering the question.

[–] blackn1ght@feddit.uk 7 points 2 weeks ago (2 children)

Why would there be one anytime soon?

[–] Olap@lemmy.world 7 points 2 weeks ago (6 children)

I dunno, maybe people in Scotland keep electing pro indy majorities or some other antidemocratic guff. Holyrood is going to the polls next year

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[–] auraithx@lemmy.dbzer0.com 5 points 2 weeks ago

Brexit invalidated the results because many voted for the sole purpose of staying in the EU, public support is now at a majority, and Reform getting in would raise support significantly.

[–] cupcakezealot@lemmy.blahaj.zone 6 points 2 weeks ago

refusal to grant a referendum while also striking down any devolved laws they don't like? that's not a union that's colonisation.

[–] ohulancutash@feddit.uk 5 points 2 weeks ago (4 children)

That’s a bold word to use, considering Scotland got started on colonialism before England did, and the Scotch were the most vigorously committed members of the colonial service and military.

[–] Olap@lemmy.world 6 points 2 weeks ago (1 children)

Didnae say we weren't. Wouldn't use that word to describe us today. Unlike Starmer

[–] teft@lemmy.world 0 points 2 weeks ago (1 children)

Why do Scot’s say didnae but not wouldnae?

[–] Olap@lemmy.world 9 points 2 weeks ago (1 children)

As ye wudnae sae didnae tae yer ma, did ye?

[–] teft@lemmy.world 0 points 2 weeks ago

Yo no hablo Scots, señor.

[–] thisismyname@lemm.ee 5 points 2 weeks ago* (last edited 2 weeks ago) (1 children)

Scotch is a bold word to use when trying to take the moral high ground, you xenophobe.

Can you provide a source for your claim of being the most vigorously committed members or are you just talking out your arse?

The first English overseas expansion occurred as early as 1169, when the Norman invasion of Ireland began to establish English possessions in Ireland, with thousands of English and Welsh settlers arriving in Ireland.[3] As a result of this the Lordship of Ireland was claimed for centuries by the English monarch

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/English_overseas_possessions

Scotland's colonialism began in the 1600s, quite a bit later than the 1100s...

[–] ohulancutash@feddit.uk -2 points 2 weeks ago (1 children)

Chaps like Henry Dundas (literally put upon a pedestal, and former head of the EIC) made a vast amount of wealth that was used to build Scottish cities, found its banks and institutions. Scotland was obsessed with education, and what the educated did was they got work administering colonial affairs. And of course, the very enthusiastic colonisation of Ireland.

[–] thisismyname@lemm.ee 1 points 2 weeks ago (2 children)

So literally nothing that the English and Welsh didn't also do. We were all bastards.

Olap's mention of Starmer being a colonialist is because he is outright denying the chance of a democratic process, regardless of what the Scottish electorate desire, like a colonialist would do. Not to mention his support for Israel, a true modern colonial power.

Maybe think next time before you go running to defend an antidemocratic genocide supporter and keep your bigotry to yourself.

[–] TheGrandNagus@lemmy.world 1 points 2 weeks ago (1 children)

Not to mention his support for Israel,

What support?

We stopped weapons sales and condemned them, have called for a two-state solution, and their leader is calling Starmer an anti-Semite.

[–] thisismyname@lemm.ee 1 points 2 weeks ago* (last edited 2 weeks ago)

That is a very recent change, his stance until just a few weeks ago has been very pro-Israel. Even now, his stance is the weakest form of condemnation possible, from an ex human rights lawyer, for what is an atrocity on par with the likes of the holocaust and holodomor.

This documentary gives more information about Starmer's faction in Labour's weaponisation of "antisemitism":

https://youtu.be/elp18OvnNV0

Other related information:

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_work_of_the_Labour_Party%27s_Governance_and_Legal_Unit_in_relation_to_antisemitism,_2014%E2%80%932019

https://www.thenational.scot/news/25214288.keir-starmer-confronted-uk-claim-no-genocide-gaza/

[–] ohulancutash@feddit.uk -4 points 2 weeks ago

I presume therefore as such a passionate advocate for democracy that, if Scotland became independent, you would support a decennial referendum on joining the UK? Or is only the “right” result worthy of being deemed a democratic process?

[–] Oddbin@lemm.ee 4 points 2 weeks ago (1 children)
[–] ohulancutash@feddit.uk -1 points 2 weeks ago (1 children)

Well, if anyone would know, it’s you.

[–] Oddbin@lemm.ee 9 points 2 weeks ago* (last edited 2 weeks ago) (1 children)

Why not just call my mum names while you're at it.

[–] ohulancutash@feddit.uk 0 points 2 weeks ago

Was she also named after a chain of off-licences?

[–] ivorybean28@feddit.uk 3 points 2 weeks ago (1 children)

Was that before the union?

[–] match@pawb.social 3 points 2 weeks ago (1 children)

It fairly directly caused the union

[–] match@pawb.social 3 points 2 weeks ago (1 children)

non-brit here. i watched a season of Bakeoff where one of the contestants mentioned being a unionist while making a patriotic cake or something like that. from the outside it is utterly fucking weird to have someone's political stance be "Everything Is Fine Like This, You Are Actually Happy Where You Are, Do Not Consider Leaving"

[–] BeardedGingerWonder@feddit.uk 2 points 2 weeks ago

What is it that you find strange exactly?

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