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    Context: X11Libre is a fork of X11 aiming at preserving the X Server (fair enough, right?). One of the creators got permanently banned from freedesktop.org for apparently violating the Code of Conduct (no info on that, they just blame Red Hat), see themselves as hunted by both Big Tech and "toxic elements" who "took over the X11 project" They want to "make X great again".

    The issue about their highly political README (which they wrote due to the original project "becoming too political", lol) also contains the usual red flags like transphobia. https://github.com/X11Libre/xserver/issues/40

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    1000004194 Why did the discussion turned into distro advertisement?

    [–] planish@sh.itjust.works 7 points 1 day ago (2 children)

    X11 was never great.

    (Like seriously, it's nothing but config files you have to edit from the local console shell and and proprietary stuff from nvidia that misbehaves, all the way down. Always has been.)

    [–] jj4211@lemmy.world 1 points 1 day ago

    To be fair they made a lot of strides to the point where config file wrangling went from mandatory to almost never done.

    But yes, Nvidia would have quirks driving people back to wrangling config file, but they got better too.

    Though I'm not particularly interested in X11. The biggest thing they had was trivial application forwarding, but the architecture didn't scale well to modern resolutions and UI design that was largely bitmaps being pushed, as well as not handling higher latency networks too well.

    [–] Natanox@discuss.tchncs.de 6 points 1 day ago

    it's nothing but config files you have to edit from the local console shell

    Some people seem to love that, as well as the total lack of any kind of access control or security. I mean, look at how many people are still arguing that "Systemd is destroying Linux", clinging to initd with all its bash scripts and no nice way to prevent race conditions and such.

    To roughly quote someone from a talk (not sure where I heard that, was about systemd as well I think):

    "We nerds are very good at change when we're the ones proposing it, but very bad when it comes from the outside."

    [–] Natanox@discuss.tchncs.de 127 points 2 days ago (4 children)

    Found more context, for who is now curious:

    • Apparently threatening violence with guns is okay (just got marked as "off-topic").
    • The maintainer of X11Libre, Enrico Weigelt, is an anti-vaxer who already got scolded by Torvalds for writing bullshit on the kernel mailing list

    The more I read into X11Libre, the more I'm laughing. Now the freedesktop ban also makes perfect sense.

    [–] daggermoon@lemmy.world 16 points 2 days ago

    YOOOOOO!!! IT'S THE SAME FUCKING GUY. I remember that legendary Torvalds roast. Good shit.

    [–] mmmm@sopuli.xyz 47 points 2 days ago (5 children)

    The maintainer of X11Libre, Enrico Weigelt, is an anti-vaxer who already got scolded by Torvalds for writing bullshit on the kernel mailing list

    Oh, so it's him. Dude got absolutely lucky Linus is on mild mode nowadays. On his prime the scold would've been of such epic proportions all the viruses he could have on his body would've leave him out of pure cringe.

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    [–] Railcar8095@lemm.ee 24 points 2 days ago (2 children)

    Honestly, I'm fully on board of this development. It might be useful for those distros that can't move to Wayland and, more importantly, can keep the developers far from everything else.

    [–] cnlwhs@lemmy.blahaj.zone 1 points 12 hours ago

    Actually... X11 is still maintained and there are forks of X11 like Xenocara from OpenBSD.

    [–] HappyFrog@lemmy.blahaj.zone 38 points 2 days ago (3 children)

    Lol, how will they get any contributions if they explicitly say that trans girls are not welcome? You know who run the internet?

    [–] Natanox@discuss.tchncs.de 20 points 2 days ago

    The project will either die through lack of interest or over-availability of cringe. There's no way for it to succeed with this MAGA nonsense and threats plastered all over it, they'd have a hard time finding enough devs even without alienating everyone except Fox News viewers. Meanwhile they'll feel confirmed in their worldview due to all the rightful criticism flooding in.

    If the project survives this initial phase of antipathy we'll probably get years of cringe from it.

    [–] Railcar8095@lemm.ee 4 points 2 days ago

    I don't think they will get contributions. But they will not bother the rest for a bit

    [–] Petter1@lemm.ee 4 points 2 days ago

    At least his aim is shit… lol (talking about this GermaA.. dude)

    [–] savvywolf@pawb.social 63 points 2 days ago (2 children)

    Think we can get them to rename it to xy11? You know, because only having x is part of the feminist agenda.

    XXY11 so they have to learn about intersex and other way sex characteristics can show up.

    [–] JasonDJ@lemmy.zip 5 points 2 days ago

    Oh is that the red hat they are blaming?

    [–] jackr@lemmy.dbzer0.com 41 points 2 days ago (3 children)
    [–] daggermoon@lemmy.world 4 points 2 days ago

    Reading that made me want to unalive myself.

    [–] Cassa@lemmy.blahaj.zone 11 points 2 days ago

    O.m.f.g.

    What even..

    Lmao, they even tried to say that they learned it from Dave Chapel (I think, it's hard to understand) a few comments down like that makes it better. He literally used it in reference to jewish people, like come on.

    [–] F4rtEmp3r0r@lemmy.ca 23 points 2 days ago (1 children)

    Of course Lunduke is a fan rolls eyes

    [–] tehn00bi@lemmy.world 3 points 2 days ago (3 children)
    [–] sem@lemmy.blahaj.zone 1 points 1 day ago

    He used to be fun... Like 25 years ago

    [–] juipeltje@lemmy.world 2 points 2 days ago (1 children)

    Idk but in his thumbnails he always looks like he has to take a shit

    [–] tehn00bi@lemmy.world 2 points 1 day ago (1 children)

    Probably rips a bong before taking a photo.

    [–] mutter9355@discuss.tchncs.de 1 points 22 hours ago

    If only he did, maybe he would be a bit more chill

    My take is that they grew up religious and take conservative things being correct as an axiom. Its why some parts of conservative movement's are considered Christian, even if they or the followers are not that religious.

    [–] ViatorOmnium@piefed.social 29 points 2 days ago (1 children)

    If you want to know more about how unhinged the dude is, I recommend reading this email thread in the DNG mailing list.

    [–] rtxn@lemmy.world 20 points 2 days ago* (last edited 2 days ago) (1 children)

    I've been watching a lot of Miniminuteman lately. Weigelt sounds exactly like the crackpot conspiracy theorists whose "facts" are being "silenced" by "the Establishment" of "mainstream science" because "they don't want you to know this".

    [–] seralth@lemmy.world 2 points 2 days ago

    First time iv ever seen someone reference mini minuteman. Neat. The great raft was a good video!

    [–] ivgranite@lemmy.world 18 points 2 days ago (1 children)
    [–] Hawk@lemmynsfw.com 2 points 1 day ago

    Yeah but hyprland, unlike x, is actually pleasant to use.

    Not an excuse for poor behavior nonetheless, merely an observation.

    [–] observantTrapezium@lemmy.ca 16 points 2 days ago (2 children)

    Very typical projection ("I'm not political, you are"), but the reactions are unnecessary in my opinion (feeding the trolls as some would say). If you don't like the attitude of the maintainer, fork it if you like, ignore it if you don't.

    [–] expr@programming.dev 6 points 2 days ago

    There's no feeding going on. We're simply laughing at their expense.

    I mean, it's funny to laugh at nazis.

    [–] Mwa@thelemmy.club 11 points 2 days ago

    No wonder why freedesktop nuked their repository.
    And Fedora apparently wants to add xlibre to their repository (hopefully not)

    [–] rodneyck@lemmy.dbzer0.com 7 points 2 days ago
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