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submitted 1 year ago by _number8_@lemmy.world to c/asklemmy@lemmy.ml

like town names are very unique; you probably couldn't find the same 2 towns next to each other very often

but mark steve chris hannah claire laura etc are all very common across the anglosphere

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[-] Zippy@lemmy.world 29 points 1 year ago

At one time seven people worked in my company and three of them were named Tim. Then I interviewed a new employee and his name was Tim. Honestly it actually weighed in my decision to have 4 Tims in a company of 8 employees.

[-] Admetus@sopuli.xyz 9 points 1 year ago

I'd imagine that resulted in a few funny episodes.

[-] Zippy@lemmy.world 2 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago)

He ultimately was not qualified for other reasons and did not get hired. But I did think thru the interview process it would start to look stupid if some client phoned in and asked for Tim. I would have to figure out which one he needed out of half our employees.

[-] SpaceNoodle@lemmy.world 3 points 1 year ago

Same problem, but with Karthik

[-] ArchmageAzor@lemmy.world 2 points 1 year ago

Just call them Tim 1, Tim 2, Tim 3 and Tim 4 based on time of employment

[-] sanguinepar@lemmy.world 11 points 1 year ago

Based on tim of employment.

[-] TheWeirdestCunt@lemm.ee 27 points 1 year ago

Because given names used to be pretty much unique in each village and you wouldn’t travel much, that’s why only nobility had surnames and regular people didn’t. There’s no need to differentiate which Chris you mean if there’s only one Chris in the village.

[-] alokir@lemmy.world 12 points 1 year ago

They absolutely had people with the same name in the same village. But they had nicknames, and this is also where a lot of family names come from.

Limpy Chris, Chris the smith, Lying Chris, small Chris, Brad's son Chris etc.

Also, countries (at least in Europe) didn't really keep track of people but churches did. You couldn't give someone a name that the village priest refused to baptise them as (I hope that's the proper English name for it).

[-] JJROKCZ@lemmy.world 18 points 1 year ago

I live within 45 minutes of two towns named Troy and two towns named O’Fallon. There are probably more with same names but off the top of my head there are 2 pairs I could think of in 5 seconds of thought.

Names aren’t that unique, we refuse them a lot because we lean towards what is familiar

[-] robotrash@lemmy.robotra.sh 4 points 1 year ago

MO/IL? That sounds St. Louis adjacent lol

[-] JJROKCZ@lemmy.world 1 points 1 year ago

Yep St Louis

[-] Damage@feddit.it -5 points 1 year ago

That's an American perspective, aside from a few exceptions (variations of forum, fort, etc.), it's not as common in Europe

[-] kiwifoxtrot@lemmy.world 9 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago)

It's extremely common in Germany. Take Münster for example, there are at least 9 cities and towns with that name. Others include Berlin, Hagen, Frankfurt, Hamburg, Freiburg, and so on. It's such an issue when trying to trace down ancestry as many records only include the city or town and not the state / region.

[-] JJROKCZ@lemmy.world 4 points 1 year ago

Well the OP didn’t say he didn’t want American perspective and America is part of the Anglosphere since we speak English and are a former British colony

[-] theKalash@feddit.ch 4 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago)

Are you sure? It's quite common with town names. Hell, there is 105 Switzerlands in Germany!

[-] SpaceNoodle@lemmy.world 4 points 1 year ago

I was gonna post this about Britain https://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/features/10905575/Britains-doppelganger-place-names.html but then I remembered that they're not in Europe any more

[-] Junkers_Klunker@lemmy.world 1 points 1 year ago
[-] SpaceNoodle@lemmy.world 0 points 1 year ago

Nope, not even Europe. They literally cut them off and they're an island now!

[-] Junkers_Klunker@lemmy.world 0 points 11 months ago

How are they not part of Europe?

[-] SpaceNoodle@lemmy.world 0 points 11 months ago* (last edited 11 months ago)

It's a joke, buddy. They're an island, they did Brexit, I made a joke about it, the joke made a whooshing sound as it went right over your head.

[-] Thisfox@sopuli.xyz 11 points 1 year ago

Because Christians, basically. Religion is a massive factor in what people think is a "normal" name, for their baby, their town, or their dog.

[-] someguy3@lemmy.ca 5 points 1 year ago

Trends come and go. You can look at graphs for how popular names change over time, it's really something.

[-] SatanicNotMessianic@lemmy.ml 4 points 1 year ago

I think this is a great question. I’m going to take a stab at it. I’m also going to talk about it in the US, as I’m less familiar with other English speaking countries’ town names and am not at all familiar with the way other cultures name their towns.

First, a lot of US place names come from local indigenous culture. Indigenous languages have a lot of variability. I’m pretty sure every state has them, and the names will vary based on the local languages. Many of the state names have similar origins as well.

Second, many towns were named after people - either for the founders or for a notable person. The US Census Bureau estimates there’s about 150,000 common last names in the US, and only about 5100 common first names. Because towns named after people tend to use their family name (although it might be cool to live in a town named Steve), they’re drawing from a much larger pool than the first names.

Third, and related to that, last names stick around longer. First names go through fashions. Every generation has its own trendy names, which further reduces variability for the population at any given time. There aren’t a lot of girls getting named Elenor or Eunice these days, I’d suspect. We tend to mostly know people around our own age, give or take a decade or so, and therefore the number of first names you tend to encounter in your social circles will be small. Couple that with the fact that people living in culturally homogenous areas are very unlikely to run into a lot of foreign first names. I think your chances of being friends with a Puneet or a Rupak are fairly small if you’re from a small midwestern town, versus James or Scott.

So, basically, I hypothesize that it’s because they’re sourced and sampled differently.

[-] lvxferre@lemmy.ml 4 points 1 year ago

It's a bunch of factors. Other posters highlighted some. Others are:

  • You're far more likely to name a person after another than a town after another. (Exceptions happen, I know.)
  • Identical personal names for people can be disambiguated with patronymics and surnames, but usually there isn't much of that for towns, except maybe "in [insert the name of the country controlling that city]".
  • At least in Abrahamic religions, the name also plays a role to highlight that the person is supposed to follow that religion.
  • Names follow trends, People tend to die rather quickly, so you don't see often the "old" trends. In the meantime that town might follow some town-naming trend from 300y ago.
[-] lol3droflxp@kbin.social 1 points 1 year ago

Regarding point 1, in New England at least you can visit half of Europe within a few hours of driving if you go by town names.

[-] lvxferre@lemmy.ml 1 points 1 year ago

Yup, there are exceptions, like placenames named after other placenames, even in the old world. (Cartagena being named after Carthago, England [indirectly] after Anglia, even Byzantium was shortly called Roma Nova by Constantine.) Even then, those are more like exceptions, not the rule.

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