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[–] Kickforce@lemmy.wtf 1 points 3 hours ago

Cars are much safer than they used to be, so why get trucks and SUV instead as these are exempt from a number of car safety requirements (like crumple zones) in the US. They have a likelihood of causing fatal unjuries when they collide with other cars and pedestrians that is 8 times higher than the average sedan, according to a UK study. Due to their size, weight and bad visibility for obstacles close by, they are also much more likely to crash into stuff.

[–] elucubra@sopuli.xyz 3 points 9 hours ago

Oh, Austria!!

I always confuse Austria with Baluchistan!

[–] Jolly_Platypus@lemmy.world 57 points 1 day ago

Look, everyone! A rational response!

What? You were expecting thoughts and prayers?

[–] pageflight@lemmy.world 41 points 1 day ago* (last edited 1 day ago) (26 children)

Wait what? Rapid policy change in response to gun violence?

Good job ~~Australia~~ Austria!

[–] bobs_monkey@lemm.ee 62 points 1 day ago (3 children)

Austria lol. Mozart, not kangaroos.

[–] FerretyFever0@fedia.io 10 points 1 day ago (1 children)

Schwarzenegger, not Satan.

[–] comrade_twisty@feddit.org 4 points 1 day ago (1 children)

Eurodeedoos not Dollaridoos.

[–] Siegfried@lemmy.world 3 points 1 day ago

Bierpartei, not Raygun

Beethoven being born in Germany and Hitler being born in Austria was one of those trivia facts I learned as a 12 year old — or thereabouts; I forget how old I was — that made me question everything. I was obviously, by definition, uneducated at that age but I had just sort of lumped “classical music=Vienna” and “Hitler=Germany.”

It’s obviously an odd fact to blow a kid’s mind and there were many more such moments to come but, for some reason, that factoid was a very effective one on my journey to realizing I didn’t know shit. (A journey I’m still on, even on things I have a degree in or worked on. Nothing teaches you how much you don’t know like learning enough to realize you haven’t even scratched the surface.)

[–] pageflight@lemmy.world 3 points 1 day ago

Whoops, thanks!

[–] AbidanYre@lemmy.world 11 points 1 day ago

Australia also had a pretty strong reaction when it happened there.

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Port_Arthur_massacre_(Australia)

[–] wirebeads@lemmy.ca 5 points 1 day ago

America currently going: “la la la la la” while turning its back to the problem.

[–] witchybitchy@lemm.ee 3 points 1 day ago

Austria? well then, gday mate! let's put another shrimp on the barbie!

[–] regedit@feddit.online 1 points 1 day ago* (last edited 1 day ago)

~~It was Austria. Autocorrect?~~

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[–] DarkFuture@lemmy.world 8 points 1 day ago

I'll toss this on the mountain of proactive things other countries are doing that the U.S. isn't.

[–] atticus88th@lemmy.world 8 points 1 day ago (1 children)

"serious psychology test"

Until someone from a different political party comes in and turns it into a "political party loyalty test"

[–] phoenixz@lemmy.ca 8 points 1 day ago (1 children)

Soooo, we then just go back to handing guns to anyone?

Sorry, but with that attitude we can't improve anything. How about we just keep it a psychology test?

[–] PowerCrazy@lemmy.ml -1 points 8 hours ago

Do you think that the average person is a killer but the only thing that stops them are the tools they have available?

[–] SnotFlickerman@lemmy.blahaj.zone 9 points 1 day ago (4 children)

The main issue I have with laws like these is... once the person who "needed to cool off" has the gun all they need is to get hot-headed again and this time there isn't a cool-off period for them to access it.

The psychology "test" is all fine and good, but a test doesn't tell you what an actual licensed psychologist can. Way too easy for someone to just lie on a test if they know what the "right" answers are. A lot more difficult to hide dangerous personality traits in front of another human being. Step it up one more notch to requiring a psychological evaluation.

[–] Carmakazi@lemmy.world 12 points 1 day ago

Would any psychologist risk their entire career and criminal liability to grant anyone a pass to obtain a firearms license? For what is ultimately a hobby?

[–] NuXCOM_90Percent@lemmy.zip 7 points 1 day ago (2 children)

I think an evaluation is just unreasonable considering how overworked mental health professionals are. I would genuinely hate it if someone who wants to get better and work out some issues can't because there is better money in talking to the gun nuts.

Nah. I am a firm believer in chains of liability. Kid shoots up a school? Whose gun was that? Dad? Dad is now liable for a pretty major charge. Oh? He didn't keep it locked up in a safe? Who sold Dad that gun? Herman? He better have ALL his paperwork in order and he better have followed every single required step to make sure Dad knows how to store a gun properly and has a gun safe and so forth. He didn't? What distributor did he buy that gun from? And so forth.

Obviously US biased, but we put more effort into making sure someone buying a car has insurance than we do making sure someone buying a gun even understands why keeping "one in the chamber" is one of the dumbest things you can do.

So pass that on. Because if that guy who wants a people killer gives bad vibes? That isn't just your license mister gun store man, that is potentially your freedom if he goes after the woman who turned him down for coffee. And if you are a gun company and you sell to sketchy stores that "lose shipments" all the time? You might not be a company the first time a serial number is run. Suddenly EVERYONE starts caring about actually doing due diligence.

And obviously that model is incredibly prone to racism and bias. But that also matters a lot less if the guy who will sell a gun to any white man with a swastika on his neck goes to prison after the first murder.

[–] CarbonIceDragon@pawb.social 1 points 1 day ago (1 children)

The issue I can see with that model is that, depending on how exactly it is implemented, it might end up spilling into places that involve people who were doing nothing unreasonable. For example, suppose a criminal makes a pipe gun, or a 3-d printed one, and uses that in a crime. If we're always looking down the chain, do we also hold responsible whoever sold them the pipes, or the printer, or other machining tools? The easy enough answer is to except steps that don't usually have to do with firearms I suppose (where the people involved would not generally have reason to expect the purchaser is using what they buy for those purposes), but in taking that obvious step, one would create a situation where acquiring guns through less traceable and safe means becomes easier than the ways that can be tracked, which is rarely a good thing if you want rules to actually be followed.

Personally, I think that, rather than the guns themselves, the focus of gun control measures should be on the ammunition they fire. It doesn't last as long as a gun potentially can, and is disposable, meaning that the large number of guns already in circulation poses less of an issue, and is harder to manufacture at home due to the requirement for explosive chemicals. Further, most "legitimate" civilian uses for a gun either don't require all that much of it (like hunting), or can be done in a centralized location that can monitor use (like sport target shooting at a professionally run shooting range).

What I would do, is put a very restrictive limit on how much ammunition a given person may purchase in a given year, and only allow exceptions to that limit if the person can provide proof that an equivalent amount of their existing allotment has been fired, returns old ammunition for exchange, or purchases the extra at a licensed range that as a condition of the license must monitor patrons and ensure those bullets are either fired or refunded before the shooter leaves.

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