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HHS Secretary Robert F. Kennedy Jr. and Secretary of Agriculture Brooke Rollins have expressed interest in letting H5N1 outbreaks spread unchecked through U.S. poultry farms. Health experts warn it could lead to a new pandemic.

High-ranking federal officials have suggested that bird flu virus should be left to "rip" through poultry farms across the U.S. — but experts warn that this hands-off approach could hasten the beginning of a new pandemic

Robert F. Kennedy Jr., the secretary of Health and Human Services, and Brooke Rollins, secretary of Agriculture, have floated the notion that instead of culling birds infected with the highly pathogenic H5N1 virus, farmers should let it spread through flocks. The idea is that by doing this, farmers can "identify the birds, and preserve the birds, that are immune to it," Kennedy told Fox News on March 11.

Now, a perspective piece authored by a group of virologists, veterinarians and health security experts argues that the plan would not only be ineffective, but could also increase the risk of the virus spilling over into humans and sparking a new pandemic. The researchers published their arguments July 3 in the journal Science.

"Essentially, the longer you allow a virus that has shown to be effective in infecting multiple hosts survive in an environment, the greater the chance you give it to spread, to mutate, and to try its luck at adaptation," perspective first-author Erin Sorrell, a virologist at the Johns Hopkins Center for Health Security, told Live Science. "Worse case scenario, the virus adapts and expands its host range to become transmissible in humans … Now we have a pandemic." Bird flu in the U.S.

H5N1 is a subtype of highly pathogenic avian influenza (HPAI), a type of bird flu that can cause severe disease and death in poultry and other birds. Since the virus began spreading widely among U.S. birds in January 2022, the Centers for Disease Control and Prevention (CDC) has reported that more than 174 million birds across all 50 states have been infected with the disease. The virus’s transmission among wild aquatic birds, commercial poultry and backyard, hobbyist flocks, has led to massive culls in farms and sent egg prices skyrocketing.

The virus typically transmits among wild birds and poultry, but it's known to have also infected more than 48 mammal species, including foxes, skunks, raccoons, seals and polar bears. It has also spread to dairy cattle, causing outbreaks in more than 1,000 herds across 17 U.S. states, according to current estimates.

Isolated human cases have been reported amid the ongoing outbreak in animals, primarily among farm workers, according to the CDC, although the agency states that the current health risk to the general public remains low. This is because, while the disease can spread among different animals, it currently can't be passed from human to human. Federal plans

Rollins recently issued updates about the U.S. government's plan to combat the infection's spread and lower egg prices. The five-pronged strategy denotes $500 million to improve farm biosecurity, $400 million in financial aid to farmers and $100 million for vaccine research. The government is also exploring ways to slash regulations and increase temporary import options for eggs.

Current regulations state that when infections are detected among commercial poultry, farmers must cull the affected flocks to contain the disease's spread, for which they are financially compensated by the U.S. Department of Agriculture (USDA).

Yet suggestions made by officials for more radical ways to manage bird flu have left experts concerned. In May, Kennedy and Dr. Mehmet Oz, the administrator for the U.S. Centers for Medicare and Medicaid Services, voiced their support for the owners of a Canadian ostrich farm whose 398 birds faced a cull following confirmed cases of H5N1 bird flu in December 2024 and January this year.

"We believe significant scientific knowledge may be garnered from following the ostriches in a controlled environment," Kennedy wrote in a letter posted to the social platform X and addressed to the head of the Canadian Food Inspection Agency, which had ordered the cull. Kennedy suggested that the ostriches may have already acquired some "downstream immunity" to the virus, and Oz offered to relocate the birds to his Florida ranch for further study.

Sorrel told Live Science that these statements imply "there is still an expectation that those in the Trump administration, at least on the human health side, believe this approach has merit."

But Sorrel and her report collaborators disagree.

Allowing widespread infection of commercial flocks would kill billions of birds, drive poultry and egg prices up, as well as destabilize local economies and global trade through import restrictions imposed on U.S. products, the authors wrote. Simultaneously, it could also foster reservoirs of H5N1, increasing the virus' odds of making the leap to humans — and gaining the ability for human-to-human infection.

"Rapid culling of [H5N1] positive flocks is central to containment of the virus on a farm," Sorrel said. "Poultry infected with H5 shed a tremendous amount of virus. If effective controls designed to mitigate the quantity of viral shedding and known transmission pathways are removed, the exposure risk for other animals and humans on site and on neighboring farms will increase, and the opportunity for H5 to evolve to be a more effective poultry pathogen increases."

Kennedy's proposal is also very unlikely to work the way he's claimed it would — the birds that provide eggs and meat on farms are descendants of separate breeding populations and do not breed themselves. So even if there were a population of resilient birds that survived H5N1 infection, that doesn't mean they're passing on their genetic traits to a subsequent generation.

What's more, the mortality rate of H5N1 is extremely high among common poultry, reaching 100% in domestic chickens. What experts propose

Instead of letting bird flu tear through farms, the scientists propose that government agencies should enhance surveillance of the virus' spread, along with improving data sharing and outbreak response measures shared between poultry producers, industry members and veterinarians. The USDA should not work alone on these measures, Sorrel said, as "interdisciplinary teams need to have the authority and means by which to activate at the state and federal levels."

Other experts agree with the team's suggestions, although they highlighted areas that need further discussion. Dr. Rocio Crespo, a poultry veterinarian at the North Carolina State University College of Veterinary Medicine, told Live Science that further details on potential vaccine strategies and biosecurity at farms should be explored.

But the USDA is now facing billions of dollars in federal funding cuts, and Crespo says that providing economic support to farmers facing outbreaks — alongside making investments to understand bird flu evolution, preventive measures and control methods — could become increasingly difficult.

"The current policies on poultry farms are effective at preventing spread to other farms," Crespo told Live Science. "However, the USDA's approach does not consider spill over and influences from other crop or animal agricultural activities."

"It appears we are continuing with the same strategies without sufficient improvement," she added. "Greater transparency and collaboration is crucial."

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[–] christian@hexbear.net 36 points 1 day ago* (last edited 1 day ago) (1 children)

HHS Secretary Robert F. Kennedy Jr. and Secretary of Agriculture Brooke Rollins have expressed interest in letting H5N1 outbreaks spread unchecked

I am always expressing interest in this. They are so like me.

I'm workshopping an idea for a longterm game where you have to predict good opening sentences for satirical news articles two years in the future, but with a price-is-right stipulation where if your sentence ends up describing literal reality (rather than a caricature) you automatically lose. You have to be the closest to an actual joke without your guess going over into reality.

[–] jack@hexbear.net 2 points 1 day ago* (last edited 1 day ago)

Amidst the rapidly accelerating Bird Flu epidemic, HHS Secretary RFK Jr. has praised the grassroots movement among conservative influencers to actively seek out infected poultry for consumption.

"There's no better way to protect ourselves than to develop immunity, and you can't hide from a virus that's so well established in ever major city," he said. Since the defunding of health research institutes across the country, it has been difficult to find contrary expert opinion, but Chinese and European health experts largely disagree with Mr. Kennedy.

President Donald Trump has also supported the practice, stating on Truth Social, "Our Chicken Farmers need all the help they can get since "Ridiculous Rutte" declared war on our birds for being so much better than theirs. We're seeing now how only CAPITALISM, not Madami-Islami-Communism, can Secure public Health. My name is Donald."

[–] aanes_appreciator@hexbear.net 28 points 1 day ago (1 children)

Please mask up and stay safe. It's better to get used to the social pushback now than when it's too late.

[–] Le_Wokisme@hexbear.net 19 points 1 day ago

the best time to mask was continuously for the last five years, the second best time is now going forward indefinitely.

[–] Skye@hexbear.net 29 points 1 day ago* (last edited 1 day ago)

Hell yeah, soon I can mask in public the way I want to

[–] TheSpectreOfGay@hexbear.net 34 points 1 day ago (3 children)

the worm is IN CONTROL. the human race will soon be extinguished

[–] Le_Wokisme@hexbear.net 13 points 1 day ago

wish i could say we had a good run, but

[–] acab_means_cop_Dva@hexbear.net 13 points 1 day ago (1 children)

The Great Wormington Declaration

Shai-huludization is now in full effect.

[–] Kuori@hexbear.net 5 points 1 day ago

please do not resist. you are being placed upon the golden path.

[–] Robert_Kennedy_Jr@hexbear.net 10 points 1 day ago* (last edited 1 day ago)

This is a plan decades in the making, we will soon be ascendant.

[–] Barabas@hexbear.net 34 points 1 day ago (3 children)

Robert F. Kennedy Jr., the secretary of Health and Human Services, and Brooke Rollins, secretary of Agriculture, have floated the notion that instead of culling birds infected with the highly pathogenic H5N1 virus, farmers should let it spread through flocks. The idea is that by doing this, farmers can "identify the birds, and preserve the birds, that are immune to it," Kennedy told Fox News on March 11.

So we are going to let the virus infect billions of animals held in poor conditions on the assumption that we are going to breed them to immunity at a faster rate than the virus mutates. This seems prudent.

[–] SacredExcrement@hexbear.net 15 points 1 day ago* (last edited 1 day ago)

It has a mortality rate near 100% among domestic chickens

They'd be wiping out the US poultry industry lmao

I guess they think layers and broilers are bred back at some point into the artificial insemination stock before being killed, which demonstrates a fundamental ignorance of how these production systems are organized. which pairs well with their fundamental ignorance of epidemiology, public health, and biology.

might as well tell everybody to start making soup in their own toilets to "build immunity".

what a country.

[–] shath@hexbear.net 16 points 1 day ago

let's let it mutate into something worse!!! the worm demands it

[–] barrbaric@hexbear.net 27 points 1 day ago (1 children)

Praise Grandfather Nurgle, may a trillion plagues blossom in his garden.

[–] ButtBidet@hexbear.net 10 points 1 day ago (2 children)

Hi fellow mod. Would you consider if we update the banner pic for this comm? Maybe something with Trump or RFK?

[–] barrbaric@hexbear.net 17 points 1 day ago* (last edited 1 day ago)

Sure, no objections from me.

E: a quick shitpost that is almost certainly in the wrong aspect ratio

[–] JoeByeThen@hexbear.net 9 points 1 day ago (1 children)

Any chance we can still include Biden? I don't want any visiting libs to think we've forgotten that crusty, genocidal asshole's contributions.

[–] ButtBidet@hexbear.net 6 points 1 day ago (1 children)

Oh god ya, I'm just pondering, nothing is final. Do you have any ideas?

[–] JoeByeThen@hexbear.net 6 points 1 day ago (1 children)

Hmm, top of my head....

This but it's Donald Trump, Joe Biden, Rfk Jr, and maybe Boris Johnson where Melania is (starmer on the other side?). And in the orb is like a bunch of viruses, brainworms, and stuff.💁

[–] ButtBidet@hexbear.net 7 points 1 day ago (1 children)

I'll play around with Blender (I'm off of Windows atm), and see what I can do.

[–] Damarcusart@hexbear.net 23 points 1 day ago

CHUDs are going to go out of their way to eat infected birds in order to "own the libs" or something and will create a pandemic far worse than covid in the process, won't they?

[–] purpleworm@hexbear.net 18 points 1 day ago* (last edited 1 day ago)

"could"

Edit: God, why do these people act like they are literally chaos cultists optimizing for death and suffering even when there's no profit for it?

[–] SkingradGuard@hexbear.net 18 points 1 day ago

Plagues and floods!

Plagues and floods!

[–] Hestia@hexbear.net 15 points 1 day ago (1 children)

Y’all are gonna have to change the comm name…

[–] ButtBidet@hexbear.net 14 points 1 day ago

c/pandemics

[–] heartheartbreak@hexbear.net 12 points 1 day ago

Heh virologist more like LIErologist amirite