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[–] Dessa@hexbear.net 24 points 3 weeks ago (1 children)

Well, it's that or Chromium, and chromium prevents adblockers, so Firefox it is

[–] nfreak@lemmy.ml 4 points 3 weeks ago (1 children)

There is ungoogled chromium but that only really goes so far.

LibreWolf is currently the best bet imo but being at a point where all the best choices are based on projects from dogshit companies isn't great

[–] Dessa@hexbear.net 4 points 3 weeks ago

but being at a point where all the best choices are based on projects from dogshit companies isn't great

Sadly all too expected

[–] toarmspunies@hexbear.net 15 points 3 weeks ago (2 children)

The only possible non-gecko engine alternative to Firefox that isn't even viable yet is Ladybird and I haven't done a deep dive on its governance at all.

It's Firefox for the foreseeable future

[–] kristina@hexbear.net 10 points 3 weeks ago (2 children)

Ladybird is ran by transphobes afaik

[–] toarmspunies@hexbear.net 6 points 3 weeks ago

Got it. This was the piece I was generically worried about having not looked into it beyond occasionally checking for project updates. Hopefully a fork arises over time.

[–] Dort_Owl@hexbear.net 14 points 3 weeks ago (2 children)

Yeah problem is the only other option seems to be Brave and that's also run by shitheads

I don't think there are many browsers that aren't run by jerks.

[–] Enjoyer_of_Games@hexbear.net 24 points 3 weeks ago (2 children)

Librewolf is a firefox fork with the bs removed.

[–] nothx@hexbear.net 5 points 3 weeks ago

Librewolf user here, no real issues once you get the privacy and security settings to your liking.

[–] NewOldGuard@hexbear.net 2 points 3 weeks ago

I switched from librewolf to Zen a while back, but now Librewolf has vertical tab support so it’s won my heart back <3

[–] yogthos@lemmygrad.ml 11 points 3 weeks ago (2 children)

Brave isn't open source either as I recall.

[–] salmoura@lemmy.eco.br 10 points 3 weeks ago (1 children)

And it's based on chromium.

[–] yogthos@lemmygrad.ml 11 points 3 weeks ago

Exactly, and chromium is only nominally open source. The reality is that Google has the final say on how the project is developed, and maintaining a viable independent fork would require a herculean effort.

[–] Chana@hexbear.net 5 points 3 weeks ago (1 children)

I think Brave is at least mostly open source. Their builds are public and come from their github repo. I think they might throw in some proprietary bits during packaging (maybe related to drm or crypto or ads?) but I'm not 100% certain.

I've been tying to convince myself to use Brave for like 6 months but their crypto and ad history makes me wary.

[–] yogthos@lemmygrad.ml 5 points 3 weeks ago (1 children)

My understanding is that the open source part is basically just the underlying Chromium engine, but all the UI code that drives it is proprietary.

[–] Chana@hexbear.net 3 points 3 weeks ago
[–] sexywheat@hexbear.net 9 points 3 weeks ago

Ok but that aside mention of the AI cult definitely gave me the creeps. I also definitely know at least one, maybe two people that would totally join it too (if given the right elevator pitch).

[–] imogen_underscore@hexbear.net 5 points 3 weeks ago (1 children)

firefox has become so dogshit on linux there's constant UI bugs and page loads are much slower than they used to be

[–] lilypad@hexbear.net 3 points 3 weeks ago

I remember when i could actually use firefox on linux on my 2011 celeron with 4gb ram yells-at-cloud