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I'm sure we have all heard that quote about the goal of fascists being to waste your time. While normally it is expected of us to engage in good faith and to attempt to educate those who are ignorant, even if they come off as standoffish, there comes a point where we can see the exception in the making. We will say, "this person means to anger us and nothing more". And in these situations, there is not much more to do except to ridicule them and wait for the inevitable ban, praise our diligent moderators.

Except that even these snarky responses or attempted debunks are wasting our time. To be sure, we may inadvertently educate lurkers, which is good. However, there comes a certain point when it is clear explaining further will have no positive consequences for any involved party except perhaps the time-wasting fascist.

This is where I propose the use of the soyjak. This is not a joke. There is something beautiful in the succinctness of depicting your opponent as an angry, hysterical, frothing-at-the-mouth soyjak; there is an absurdity in it all that pulls back the layers of smugness from the fascist and reveals them for the clown they are. What clever response will they have, when they are depicted as the virgin soyboy and us as the enlightened chad?

It may seem lazy, to be sure, but laziness is subjective. We must use all the tools we have at our disposal; despite negative sentiments surrounding ai it is nonetheless a great tool for us, especially our more tech-oriented comrades. For the more absurdist among us, the soyjak is our weapon. It is a lazy answer to a lazy question; it is fighting fire with fire. This is our way of telling them that we will not be playing their games.

bonus: Chinese brainrot ideologies tierlist. I made this the day of that post but never got around to uploading until now.

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[–] Amnesigenic@lemmy.ml 3 points 5 days ago (1 children)

Yes to soyjaks, hard no to ai

[–] amemorablename@lemmygrad.ml 5 points 5 days ago (1 children)

hard no to ai

Why? Don't want to start another runaway debate thread about AI, but I assume you have a reason and want to know what it is before I jump to conclusions.

[–] Amnesigenic@lemmy.ml 2 points 5 days ago* (last edited 5 days ago) (3 children)

High resource consumption for low return, burning all that electricity to produce something you could draw in MS paint in 20 minutes is completely unjustifiable

[–] zedcell@lemmygrad.ml 6 points 5 days ago

You use more electricity streaming an episode of a HD netflix show than generating like 100 text prompts. Image generation is also way less costly than streaming.

The only really costly thing with LLMs is the training stage.

[–] amemorablename@lemmygrad.ml 5 points 5 days ago (1 children)

I was wondering if it was an environmentalist thing. That's understandable. I don't personally think it's unjustifiable in the larger context of things and the fact that those data centers are being pushed hard whether individuals want it or not, as capitalists rush to get in on the ground floor of investment hype; so some of it arguably comes down to that thing of, using the tools that are already there anyway. And over time, compute is getting less intensive for more; I'm also pretty sure compute for image tends to be significantly less than that of text (counter-intuitive as that may sound, I think it's to do with the size of models).

But I am not trying to persuade you to use AI. Just explaining why I don't take the same position.

[–] DornerStan@lemmygrad.ml 3 points 5 days ago (1 children)

I mean training a model is incredibly expensive both in electricity and labor, but none of us are doing that. Is using already-trained models locally that expensive?

I don't have a GPU so I haven't delved into this, @yogthos@lemmygrad.ml what's your take?

[–] yogthos@lemmygrad.ml 4 points 5 days ago

You're correct, once a model is trained, actually running it isn't that expensive.

[–] 2000watts@lemmygrad.ml 3 points 6 days ago (1 children)

Hell yeah. I love 'jaks. Hear something you don't like? Quote 'em with a regular soyjak. «Huh? That's all you can do? Quote me with a soyjak? Fucking zoomers.» Quote them with an angry, crying soyjak.