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[–] ClimateStalin@hexbear.net 53 points 9 months ago* (last edited 9 months ago) (3 children)

Pathetic loser shit

It’s genuinely impressive how both idiotic and cucked the leaders of every western country are.

Do you think this will work??? Do you think this will save you??? Of course it wont you fucking moron!

Here’s what capitulating to Donald Trump does for you: Gets tariffs implemented on your goods while also pissing off your domestic base.

There’s no flying under the radar and hoping to squeak by without Trump and the US noticing. The proper move is to say “Whatever the US does to us we’re doing double to them” and plan on cutting off all trade with the US.

We don’t even produce anything! Just buy stuff from China like you were already doing anyway! If you need gas get it from Russia! The only countries actually harmed by cutting off literally all trade with the US are Canada, Mexico, and China, all of which have been proving that the best course of action is to say “Eat shit Donald” and then enjoy the highest approval ratings of any politician in your country for a decade

[–] Damarcusart@hexbear.net 27 points 9 months ago

Do you think this will save you???

As individuals? It might. They might be able to skim enough off the top of all this to retire somewhere nice after they've completely destroyed Europe.

[–] LangleyDominos@hexbear.net 23 points 9 months ago (1 children)

California is very important for the EU. It's not about losing cheap goods from the US, it's those tech services they need/want. You can bet they'll cave to buy time to try and build/find a more local solution.

[–] Scarry@hexbear.net 13 points 9 months ago

try and build/find a more local solution.

i-cant

[–] BurgerPunk@hexbear.net 13 points 9 months ago

If you need gas get it from Russia!

Well they were until somebody who-did-this destroyed a certian pipeline.

[–] Cysioland@lemmygrad.ml 39 points 9 months ago (3 children)

This is ukrainism in action — making yourself dependent on the US because of having to "defend yourself" against Russia

[–] npdean@lemmy.today 10 points 9 months ago (3 children)

Europe will never learn. They fear war so much that they shoot themselves in the foot. If they become financially independent, they would have a strong military that would stop wars from happening.

Switzerland is also learning that US cannot be trusted blindly because you are neutral. Things can and will fuck you when you maintain "dependence" on anyone else.

[–] CyborgMarx@hexbear.net 27 points 9 months ago (2 children)

If they become financially independent, they would have a strong military that would stop wars from happening.

If Europe had independent and strong militaries, they would (re)-invade West Asia and Africa

A weakened and contained Europe is a necessity for future human progress, otherwise they would recreate the imperialistic nightmares of the late 19th century

[–] Samsuma@lemmy.ml 11 points 9 months ago

also Switzerland wears its neutrality like some sort of force field that absolves it from being complicit in contributing to imperialism.

[–] npdean@lemmy.today 1 points 9 months ago (1 children)

I meant strong enough to defend itself, not set on a crusade

[–] CyborgMarx@hexbear.net 0 points 9 months ago (1 children)

Euro elites don't care what you want, they'll overextend themselves the minute they get enough arms to invade another country

Crusader logic defines elite thought in Europe

[–] npdean@lemmy.today 1 points 9 months ago

A pushover Europe makes US stronger, we need a weaker US right now. Europe problem will have to be solved later.

[–] AOCapitulator@hexbear.net 3 points 9 months ago

strong militaries, famous for preventing wars

[–] redchert@lemmygrad.ml 2 points 9 months ago (1 children)

Switzerland is also learning that US cannot be trusted blindly because you are neutral.

They are not neutral, they are very much central to us empire, just in the western humanitarian/lib internationalism sense. Oh and basically the money laundering machine of the west.

[–] npdean@lemmy.today 1 points 9 months ago

They launder money for the whole world, not just the West.

[–] grandepequeno@hexbear.net 9 points 9 months ago

I call it Ukranization of Europe (as opposed to the europeazation of ukraine) but I think you have a point, in other areas too the EU over these years has become more like ukraine because it has had to absorb all the anti-russia hysteria along with the ukraninan nationalist view of history

[–] Collatz_problem@hexbear.net 2 points 9 months ago (1 children)

I think it is Ukraine that was modeled on EU/Gladio and not the other way around.

[–] Cysioland@lemmygrad.ml 5 points 9 months ago (1 children)

I've meant Ukrainism as in a belief that Ukrainians have a right to a state, specifically in the current borders, including Crimea and Donbass

[–] plinky@hexbear.net 2 points 9 months ago

they do have a right to a state obviously, just pluralistic neutral one, instead of nationalist hellhole 🥰

[–] CyborgMarx@hexbear.net 34 points 9 months ago (1 children)

If there aren't any mass protests within the next 24 hours, then they'll get away with it politically

The Euros are completely subsumed by their role as the "Junior" partner of global neo-imperialism, if it's not ripping off black people, killing brown people or condescending toward Asians, then Europe can't comprehend it, they don't have the civilizational bandwidth for anything other than expansionist neoliberalism

[–] Samsuma@lemmy.ml 12 points 9 months ago* (last edited 9 months ago)

If there aren’t any mass protests within the next 24 hours, then they’ll get away with it politically

Eurolibs only think in the short-term and will protest tooth and nail over concessions (only for said concessions to be recalled soon later) AND only if those concessions benefit them..

As long as they remain clueless about this and as long as they continue to receive slop in the form of treats, they're sitting this one out.

[–] miz@hexbear.net 34 points 9 months ago (1 children)
[–] Frogmanfromlake@hexbear.net 15 points 9 months ago

My immediate internal response

[–] Monk3brain3@hexbear.net 22 points 9 months ago (1 children)

This is pathetic but I think the Euro plan is to wait out Trump and hope for a return to the pre Trump status quo. Which I don't think will happen

[–] yogthos@lemmygrad.ml 19 points 9 months ago* (last edited 9 months ago) (1 children)

I think that's exactly the plan, and as you correctly note there is zero chance of that happening. Trump is merely a symptom of the decline in material conditions.

[–] Monk3brain3@hexbear.net 23 points 9 months ago (1 children)

Yeah and like, please remind me again who bombed Nord stream 2 and under which party leadership of the US? It's absolute hopium on the part of the euros

[–] yogthos@lemmygrad.ml 7 points 9 months ago
[–] XxFemboy_Stalin_420_69xX@hexbear.net 22 points 9 months ago (5 children)

incredibly cucked. what are the euros so afraid of? what leverage does the us government have over them that they don't just tell us to fuck off?

[–] jack@hexbear.net 23 points 9 months ago

Most European countries are occupied by the US military

[–] yogthos@lemmygrad.ml 20 points 9 months ago

I mean they burned bridges with China and Russia, so they don't have any leverage at this point.

[–] jUzzo6@hexbear.net 19 points 9 months ago

Every European leader was selected by the US/UK. If you dare to go against US interests, there is network of friendly journos which will bring you down. US embassy and UK soft network can make or break your career. By natural selection this lead to current selection of incompetent, dumb, brownosers.

[–] dkr567@hexbear.net 18 points 9 months ago* (last edited 9 months ago)

Euros hate Asians (or as they say, asiatic hordes) more than they "hate" (really they only hate Trump, not neccessarily the American entity) Americans which is why NATO countries are destroying their social programs to meet that 5% racketeering fee.

[–] regul@hexbear.net 17 points 9 months ago

every European was on the flight logs

[–] miz@hexbear.net 20 points 9 months ago

Clowntinental kelly