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[–] gnomesaiyan@lemmy.world 29 points 9 months ago (1 children)

I'm a big nature lover, so I'm not only picking up trash when I go camping/hiking. When I see these stacks, I usually dismantle them manually, tossing stones in separate directions to blend in to the surroundings. I find them a lot near creek beds and streams, so it's obvious it was a photographic opportunity for some influencer.

If they are actual cairns (trail markers), I leave them be. They are more identifiable with obvious weathering and growth around them. They're usually constructed with larger rocks so that they are more visible and endure the tests of time.

[–] rc__buggy@sh.itjust.works 3 points 9 months ago

Yes, ranger built cairns are going to be solid, with obvious layers of rock, largest at the bottom. You'll also be able to see the one ahead and behind, at least out in the desert.

If there are trees, they just put the blazes on them, no need for cairns in the woods

[–] glimse@lemmy.world 27 points 9 months ago (2 children)

Stuart Cox, a British hiker who goes by the online name The Peak District Viking

I just don't trust anyone who uses Viking in their name in 2025. The Viking/white supremacy connection is way too strong

[–] Zahille7@lemmy.world 17 points 9 months ago

I once saw a guy walking around with mjolnir earrings (like the "traditional" design, not Marvel Thor design), a "fuck your feelings" shirt with the stick figure humping the phrase "your feelings," and his daughters were all dressed like 14 year old boys with haircuts to match. It was a confusing family.

[–] azron@lemmy.ml -2 points 9 months ago (1 children)

Hahaha. Yeah way to judge someone without knowing anything. These positions that you think noble are actually just ignorance.

[–] glimse@lemmy.world 10 points 9 months ago (1 children)

I read the article, too. The dude brags about kicking over stacks right as people make them. He approaches the problem with aggression when he could just educate people instead.

Seems like the type to be into Vikings for the same reason as other misinformed groups. It's douchebag behavior even if what he's saying is true.

[–] BananaIsABerry@lemmy.zip 4 points 9 months ago (1 children)

The good ol fashioned "stop liking what I don't like" attitude. That'll show them!

[–] glimse@lemmy.world 1 points 9 months ago (1 children)

I can't tell if that's directed at me or the hiker

[–] BananaIsABerry@lemmy.zip 3 points 9 months ago (1 children)

You know, both.

You don't like vikings, he doesn't like people picking up rocks.

[–] glimse@lemmy.world 4 points 9 months ago (1 children)

Oh don't get me wrong here, it's not the Vikings but the "appropriation" (and misinterpretation) of them by alpha males and white supremacists that puts me off.

It's like The Punisher. Comic fans nowadays aren't going to get a tattoo of it because if the connotations

[–] Zahille7@lemmy.world 1 points 9 months ago

Tbf I don't think many people were getting Punisher tats even before it became a thing for white supremacists, though.

[–] lowspeedchase@lemmy.dbzer0.com 11 points 9 months ago

I saw park rangers doing this up at rainier, I shouldv'e asked why!

[–] Guidy@lemmy.world 5 points 9 months ago

And even if they put them back where they found them after they've snapped their pictures, he says moving them at all can disrupt an ecosystem's balance.

So he admits that what he’s doing is actually contributing further to the problem.

[–] Empricorn@feddit.nl 4 points 9 months ago

Cox admits his approach to conservation is "a bit dramatic" and can rankle feathers. But most people, he says, simply don't know better and are grateful for the education.

"So the message got through."

Indeed, it did! Carry on, sir...

[–] jordanlund@lemmy.world 0 points 9 months ago

I'd argue, unless you see someone constructing it, or have first hand knowledge that it's modern construction, leave it alone. There would be a non-zero chance of it being a legitimate cairn.

Otherwise what will happen are well meaning morons knocking down legitimate structures.

[–] unexposedhazard@discuss.tchncs.de -2 points 9 months ago* (last edited 9 months ago) (3 children)

The decorative structures, he says, are destroying local archaeology, damaging trail systems and disrupting wildlife.

Yeah nah. The paper that is quoted for the "disrupting wildlife" thing is about river modification that destroys egg laying spots. Obviously if you accidentally stack stones on an animal or their eggs, then that sucks but its statistically unlikely, especially outside of the water.

Herein, we document mortality of both adult and larval Eastern Hellbender salamanders associated with anthropogenic habitat disturbance (i.e., moving and stacking of rocks to build small dams)

The trail that humans make by walking through nature and the trash they leave is muuuuch more impactful than moving 5 random rocks.

Stone stacks are also often not just "decorative" but used for wayfinding. So by removing them you might cause people to walk into previously undisturbed areas because they dont know where the trail is.

Overdoing it like this might start causing issues, but even that i doubt tbh. If there are this many people moving through an area, then no wildlife is going to come near it anyway.

[–] frongt@lemmy.zip 40 points 9 months ago

Actual trail cairns are markers, yes. The cairns not built by the trail maintainers are the ones he's removing. Those are more misleading than directionary.

[–] 11111one11111@lemmy.world 14 points 9 months ago

Yeah nah. The paper that is quoted for the "disrupting wildlife" thing is about river modification that destroys egg laying spots. Obviously if you accidentally stack stones on an animal or their eggs, then that sucks but its statistically unlikely, especially outside of the water.

Pretty sure you are thinking of reptile or bird eggs but ignoring the largest group of land egg layers: insects.

[–] quatschkopf43@feddit.org 13 points 9 months ago* (last edited 9 months ago) (1 children)

Rocks are essential habitats for many animals. Stacking them, especially if too many people do it, may impact those habitats. I also just don't get why it's so difficult for people to leave nothing but footprints.

[–] 11111one11111@lemmy.world 3 points 9 months ago

Gotta get those insta pics.