This isn't a peace proposal, it's surrender terms. Keep fighting until Putin's on his knees, Ukraine.
this post was submitted on 21 Aug 2025
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Any appeasement is a permanent loss, for a temporary relief of fighting.
And only normalizes it the next time it happens.
You can't negotiate with a group like that, regardless of if they represent a country or not.
So basically the same thing they've been asking for for the last two years. Biggest difference now is that Russia's military and economy are so damaged that it'll be much longer before they next break the peace treaty.
Sounds like the better option is just to offer proper support to Ukranie and wait for Russia to colapse, so there won't be a next time.
wait for Russia to colapse
Appearances aside, I think it's already started. Their demographics, economy, industry and materials show a downward spiral. Though in part also true for some other countries, it's this combination that makes it more catastrophic.
Trees before dying, do have a last great blossoming. Maybe we see some of that.
no matter who gets the territory, ukraine has won in the long term
or rather, everyone loses i guess
So Putin's terms are to be completely vulnerable to a future Russian invasion once they re-up their troops and hardware?
Never trust a Russian. Or a conservative.
Basically a repeat of 2014 after Russia took ~~Ukraine~~ Crimea and 8 years later they wanted more and there was nothing to stop them but the Ukrainian pushback (which, honestly, kudos for holding out this long).
So what's going to happen in 2030?
It's not that exclusive, it's just the same as before. Although usually Putin also mentions something bout a regime change in Ukraine too.
Resistance till the end
Russian terms: go fuck yourself! - Ukraine
I don't think anyone sane person cares how Russia negotiates. They try to regain their imperialistic dreams on their road to perdition, whilst destroying what they had left.