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submitted 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) by frogman@beehaw.org to c/technology@beehaw.org

We're reaching the end of an era wherein billions of dollars of investor money was shovelled into tech startups to build large user-bases, and now those companies (now monoliths) are beginning to constrict their user-bases and squeeze for every single penny they can possibly extract. Fair or not.

Now more than ever, it's important for us to step back and reconsider whether we want to be billboards for these companies anymore.

For anyone unfamiliar, some good resources to have when starting your degoogling journey are below:

Privacy Guides - A list of privacy-respecting services you can use.

Plexus - A crowdsourced information bank of service compatibility with degoogled devices.

This random PDF - A study from 2018 detailing data that Google tracks about its' users.

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[-] thayer@lemmy.ca 17 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago)

It's been a long time in the making, but I've finally degoogled and largely removed all proprietary software from my personal life. I know this topic is pretty well covered here and elsewhere so just to add to the list of others, here's where I'm at these days:

  • OS: Fedora Linux (w/ AMD Radeon GPU)
  • Email: Thunderbird w/ hosted email over IMAP
  • Calendar/Contacts: Radicale instance w/ DAVx⁵ on Android
  • Storage: Syncthing
  • Web: Firefox
  • Search: Startpage and DuckDuckGo mostly, but still use Google and Bing on occasion
  • IM: Signal
  • Desktop productivity: LibreOffice when I need it (Collabora Office on Android)
  • Notes: Vim, VS Code (Markor on Android); most of my "docs" are just plain text files written in markdown
  • Passwords: KeepassXC/DX
  • Code editor: Vim, VS Code
  • GrapheneOS on mobile, with almost entirely FOSS apps
  • Kindle e-book reader with management via Calibre
  • Media managed by Kodi with a raspberry pi
  • Proxmox hypervisor for Windows/Linux VMs and containers

Gaming under Linux has improved unbelievably these past few years, now that Steam is contributing with their Steam Deck platform. I used to have to dual-boot Windows to keep up with the latest titles, but I wiped it about a year ago and things have been great.

I still rely on Microsoft Excel and Adobe Photoshop for some tasks, but less so now than ever before. Unfortunately, my work will always be a Windows-dominated environment.

[-] PR_freak@vlemmy.net 6 points 1 year ago

How has a self hostes imap been treating you?

I heard some pretty brutal stories, like big email providers just refusing emails from self hosted servers

[-] aeternum@kbin.social 2 points 1 year ago

Not OP, but I used to self host email. I gave up because both google and microsoft, the two big players in email, refused to deliver my mail to anywhere but spam/junk. I had DKIM, SPF and DMARC set up, with reverse DNS set up correctly. So I gave up. Now I use a privacy friendly email provider (paid)

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[-] rmicielski@slrpnk.net 3 points 1 year ago

I have to just be sure that you at least know about demicrosofted VS Code, VS Codium

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[-] lpslucasps@lemmy.pt 14 points 1 year ago

I used to rely almost exclusively on Google for almost anything online. Fortunately, I'm much less dependent on Google and their services now. I'm even self-hosting some of my own services nowadays!

  • Search engine: Ecosia and DuckDuckGo
  • E-mail: Protonmail
  • File storage: Nextcloud (selfhosted)
  • Online Office Suite: Nextcloud Office (selfhosted)
  • Maps: OpenStreetMaps
  • 2FA App: Aegis
  • Translator: DeepL
  • Notes and Tasks: Obsidian.md
  • Calendar: An actual wall calendar :)

Every single one of these apps/services used to be provided by google, so I think it's safe to say I've come a long way!

Of course, things could be better. I still use Google Contacts for synchronizing my, hum, contacts. I also use YouTube quite a bit, but as a paying customer my experience with it is just fine. I also use gboard on my phone — for bilingual speakers there's just no good alternative, imho. And, finally, I download/update most of my phone apps through Google Play.

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[-] clearedtoland@lemmy.fmhy.ml 9 points 1 year ago

So um…how do I show the lemmyverse that this is a really important post without the shiny meaningless gold coin?

[-] allonsyeet@lemmy.blahaj.zone 5 points 1 year ago

Upvote i guess ❤️🍓

[-] lowleveldata@programming.dev 3 points 1 year ago
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[-] sweBers@lemmy.fmhy.ml 3 points 1 year ago

Interact, share. Be positive.

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[-] beejjorgensen 6 points 1 year ago

The biggest thing I de-Googled was gmail. I had my own domain already so it wasn't tough to move (to my web hosting provider's included email service).

I switched to Firefox+uBO from Chrome.

They de-Googled RSS for me (now on Newsblur).

Things I still use:

  • Drive for backups (but have a local backup in case their AI bans me)
  • YouTube Premium (I hate ads)
  • Contacts (Cardbook addon for Thunderbird works well with this)
  • Calendar (Thunderbird supports natively)
  • Keep (Shared shopping list)
  • Pixel phone (I don't really care for Apple, either)
[-] JasSmith@kbin.social 2 points 1 year ago

Yeah switching from Gmail to my own domain was a pain but gives me huge peace of mind. The horror stories of people losing access to their accounts for any and no reason at all pushed me to migrate.

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[-] Segin@vlemmy.net 6 points 1 year ago

Outside of work I’ve degoogled with the exception of google calendar (shared family google calendar so that would need to bring everyone along with me!) and unfortunately the google Wi-Fi/nests.

I would like to swap out the google Wi-Fi but it just seems like such a lot of money to waste and they are working at the moment for the mesh Wi-Fi. I’ve just made sure to disable and opt out to as many of the google analytic tracking as possible.

[-] saba 2 points 1 year ago

I use nextcloud for calendar (among other things). I made an account for my wife on the nextcloud and we share a "Family" calendar on there. It's also possible to share publicly with anybody, but they can't create or edit without an account. Of course, it's more work to set up. There are also alternatives like zoho, etc which might be easier to get started with, but I haven't really tried any of them in years. I don't know how many people you share with, but if it's not too many, there might be options. I don't have to host my own nextcloud. I have mail service with my personal domain through mxroute.com and it includes Nextcloud.

[-] geon@beehaw.org 6 points 1 year ago

I deleted my Google accounts today and made a Proton email to replace my previous emails with. I’m now using Firefox and DDG, and it honestly feels much fresher now. I’m happy to finally be exploring alternatives to Google and learning about online security and integrity.

[-] frogman@beehaw.org 5 points 1 year ago

i can see on your profile that you're 17, you're awesome for taking these things seriously so young. it gets a chuckle sometimes when people see no google apps on my phone, or a different search engine when i look something up. if you hear any laughs, just know you're on the right side of history :p

[-] geon@beehaw.org 5 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago)

These past few weeks I’ve really been getting more and more into programming and online security. I reckon I will learn a lot from this community, and Lemmy in general. The whole Reddit migration thing already taught me plenty about how a corporate app can drive away its users. It feels good to let Google go, and here is to learning more about everything federated and decentralised!

[-] frogman@beehaw.org 2 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago)

idk if you're familiar with the 'reddit hack' when making searches online. basically, you add 'reddit' to the end of your search and you'll get a list of reddit posts discussing the thing you're looking for.

i want a 'lemmy hack' to replace this, ending a search with 'site:beehaw.org' or 'site:lemmy.world'.

this only works if people ask questions for people to answer, so please make posts if you have any questions during your privacy journey. you'll be building the foundations for lemmy to fill the void reddit once did :)

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[-] themizarkshow@lemm.ee 6 points 1 year ago

I moved off a while ago at this point... I still have to use some of it because of work being on G-Suites but otherwise my personal stuff has moved.

  • Email: Hey & ProtonMail
  • Storage: Dropbox
  • Notes: SimpleNotes & Obsidian.md
  • Chat: Telegram & Matrix/Element
  • 2FA: ProtonPass (as of yesterday, Authy before that)
  • Passwords: 1Password
  • Other: Apple stuff mostly
[-] evilviper@beehaw.org 3 points 1 year ago

How is the proton pass 2FA? I saw they have that it haven't gotten around to switching from Authy yet.

[-] meldrik@lemmy.wtf 5 points 1 year ago

I degoogled by switching to an iPhone 😅 DuckDuckGo is my default search engine.

[-] McBinary@midwest.social 6 points 1 year ago

That is a sacrifice I'm not willing to make. Yikes!

[-] meldrik@lemmy.wtf 2 points 1 year ago

I'd argue that Apple is the lesser evil when it comes to privacy 😁

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[-] pztrn@bin.pztrn.online 5 points 1 year ago

100% degoogled. Everything is selfhosted, except for Telegram. Even at job :)

[-] lividhen@kbin.social 5 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago)

Just switched from Google photos to photoprism. It's pretty awesome! It only took 8 hours to index and label my 17500~ photos (not including the week and a half Google Takeout took). That was the big one for me. Not I am slowly working through all my other google/centralized services and seeing if there are self hosted or decentralized alternatives.

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[-] sculd@beehaw.org 4 points 1 year ago

Basically degoogled except YouTube because content creators are on that platform. Also occasionally needs to use Google search because DDG sometimes doesn't work.

[-] wgs 3 points 1 year ago

You might want to check invidous, it's a youtube frontend you can use to browse youtube anonymously.

[-] pastelsquirrel@beehaw.org 4 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago)

pretty effectively!

I use a Searx instance for searching (with the engine it uses set to DDG), Tutanota for email and Piped/Invidious and Libretube for videos. meanwhile on both my phone and tablet I've used ADB to purge all of Google's malware, and Play Services is outright disabled on my tablet lmao (and contrary to what one might think, the only thing it impacts is I don't get app notifications)

and then I use Aurora Store to update Twitch and Discord, and I use alternatives from F-Droid for stuff like the calendar

[-] cavemeat@beehaw.org 4 points 1 year ago

I have slowly but surely moved everything important off google. My main email is a proton mail now, and I changed my pixel for a oneplus :).

[-] clearedtoland@lemmy.fmhy.ml 3 points 1 year ago

I’ve wanted to do this too for about a year but I see no benefit since most addresses I correspond with are unencrypted. One-way encryption is negligibly any better - unless I’m seriously misunderstanding Proton.

I’d switch to @iCloud.com but that just feels goofy.

[-] cnnrduncan@beehaw.org 3 points 1 year ago

It's more about the ethics of the company hosting than any encryption benefits for me personally. Self-hosting would be ideal but email is a bit too important for me to do that personally, so I use proton as a compromise.

[-] frogman@beehaw.org 2 points 1 year ago

this, but also proton-to-proton emails are end-to-end encrypted by default. see here for more info. supporting security-by-default is super important to me.

your email is quite literally an advert. almost every time someone sees my emails end in @tuta.io or @aleeas.com, they ask me about it. when all emails use a google or a microsoft domain it reinforces this oligarchy.

[-] bug@lemmy.one 2 points 1 year ago

Changing from a Pixel to another Android phone is hardly degoogling, if anything it's just inviting in another pair of eyes! Ironically the best way to degoogle on Android is with a Pixel running GrapheneOS!

[-] thaedrus@beehaw.org 4 points 1 year ago

I have started to degoogle bits and pieces. I self-host the majority of the services I need and really enjoyed the journey so far since I learned so much. I am approaching the stage in my life where I have less time to spend on personal hobbies so I fear this path may not be sustainable. In my opinions here are the pros and cons.

Pros:

  • Full control of my data
  • Pick the ideal tool from the open source community
  • Learning experience
  • Engagement with community

Cons:

  • Technical knowledge needed to setup and maintain self-hosted tools
  • Self-hosted tools have security risks (best to put everything behind VPN)
  • Disparate tools don't connect together (requires additional automation configuration)
  • Additional costs for services including and not limited to: domain name, email, backup storage, self-host server hardware, VPN, and donations to devs
  • Higher personal downtime due to lacking features, server and service maintenance
  • Time sink to learn, research, general devops of tools, maintenance of server

Key services to name a few:

  • File storage - Nextcloud
  • File sync - Syncthing
  • Office- Nextcloud + Collabora
  • Email - Mailfence
  • Photos - Photoprism

So far there are more negatives than positives, but the positives still outweigh negatives. I do have to say degoogling is getting easier than before.

[-] Rainhall@feddit.online 3 points 1 year ago

DuckDuckGo got a shoutout from Star Trek: Strange New Worlds this week. Much smoother than Hawaii Five-Oh's "Bing it."

[-] rm_dash_r_star@lemm.ee 3 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago)

As far as my PCs, I use a subscription service for email (fastmail.com). I'm still using the Chrome browser, but at some point I may have to go to Firefox for the sake of my uBlock Origin extension which I rely on heavily. Functionality of that extension on Chrome may be reduced at some point by the forced migration to Google's new extension platform (Manifest V3).

I have to have a Google account for my Android phone. I don't think I'll ever be able to get away from that. I mean you have two choices with phones, Android or iOS. I'm not going anywhere near Apple so Android is it. I've audited all my privacy settings in my Google account to minimize personal data, whether they actually honor those settings or not, who knows.

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[-] baggins@beehaw.org 3 points 1 year ago

Tried DDG a few times over the years. Sorry, but it just doesn't do it for me. Results were terrible. Google had lots of results and it was just too much effort to keep switching from DDG if it doesn't provide an answer. Because I know Google will.

[-] raptore39@lemm.ee 3 points 1 year ago

I have been using DDG as default for probably two years now. I love how I get so few ads and a cleaner experience as well. I absolutely agree Google has better results sometimes and I just use !g at the start of my search to get purely Google results. The search operators are amazing and there are so many!

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[-] deFrisselle 3 points 1 year ago

Working on it
Had to give them some money for a Pixel 7, at least it was half off plus a trade-in on the old phone Installed GrapheneOS a couple of days ago

[-] bug@lemmy.one 2 points 1 year ago

Proton's services, Cryptomator, Invideous, GrapheneOS, a handful of apps from f-droid.

Also, quick plug - !privacyguides@lemmy.one is the official Privacy Guides community on Lemmy!

[-] Coeus@coeus.sbs 2 points 1 year ago

I'm still in the Google android stuff just because of convenience but I have ditched Chrome and Google search. Eventually I would like to do more.

[-] pandaontoast@beehaw.org 2 points 1 year ago

The only thing I still hold onto my account for is YouTube. I pay for mailbox.org which covers email, calendar and cloud stuff. Their website could be better but the service is quality and their privacy policy is tight. When I was on android I used a bunch of custom roms with microg. My favourite ended up being calyxos but they all had a little jank here or there. I dearly miss NewPipe for android as a replacement for the official youtube app.

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[-] HawlSera@lemm.ee 2 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago)

I deleted my google drive content so they can't arbitrarily decide something I wrote is worth banning my account over or use it to train their AIs, I made a backup, obviously.

Even though my content is safe, deleting it off of Google's servers felt like drowning my own children in a bathtub

[-] saba 2 points 1 year ago

I was degoogled until late last year. Then 2 things happened. 1, I got a Fitbit watch, and 2, I started a delivery gig job where I needed play store and google services. Fortunately I might be getting another job soon (got a conditional job offer yesterday) and quitting the delivery since I'm making less money now. Also, looking at getting a different watch. When these things happen, I'll probably reinstall LineageOS without play services and delete the fitbit account (which is soon going to require switching to a google account.)

I have hosted email and nextcloud that I use for storage, calendar, etc. I've lived without google before with no inconvenience and I can do it again.

[-] CapillaryUpgrade 2 points 1 year ago

Have you tried the MicroG fork of LineageOS?

It has an open source implementation of Play Services. It works for a lot of apps, but not every app.

[-] PiselloSauro@feddit.it 2 points 1 year ago

Basically outside of Youtube I don’t use any Google service. Started by migrating to Kagi search, and while it requires a subscription, its a price I am willing to pay for a search engine that actually work good.

Everything else I use a mix of FOSS and subscription services.

[-] tal@kbin.social 2 points 1 year ago

The problem is that I'm pretty sure that spammers are specifically targeting Google with a lot of their effort because of the size of its userbase.

So DDG or whoever else can be a solution for some, but if they get a big enough userbase, the SEO dollars are going to go towards hitting them too. Leveraging smaller size can't be a fix for everyone.

Kinda like Reddit and the Fediverse. Right now -- and in the past -- there's a limited amount of money in trying to jam spam in front of the userbase's eyeballs on lemmy and kbin. But whenever the userbase grows by a factor of ten, so does the return-on-investment to a spammer in gaming their system. If the entire Reddit userbase collectively moved here tomorrow, the spammers would very quickly follow.

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