Going to be difficult to blame the Democrats for this one but I know they'll try.
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Not at all, barely an inconvenience. They'll just do what they always do. Have a total disregard for the truth and say whatever they can think of that makes the democrats the villains.
Have you seen this ridiculous violation (amongst many others) of the Hatch act?
WHITEHOUSE.GOV told me DEMONRATS are causing this Republican Lead Government Shutdown and that's ALL I Need to See to know it's TRUE!
-Republicans who Do Their Own Research TM!
THANK YOU for your ATTENTION to this matter!
Are they really still trying to make Demonrats happen?
Top comment in this thread is doing just that.
Democrats shouldn't have made the offer anyhow.
This is actually better. What they offered was a common sense path forward on the issue of the healthcare subsidies. Continue to fund them for a year, and in the meantime form a congressional committee to find options for how to proceed beyond that.
Republicans turning this down just places the blame for continuing the shutdown, firmly in their laps. At this point any talk of this still being the Democrats fault, is beyond ridiculous. They're actually negotiating, while Republicans are simply refusing to even try.
Exactly! I'll repeat what I wrote elsewhere that this is actually a good strategic move as much as I want Jeffries and Schumer gone.
Follow me:
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The GOP are forking Democrats to choose a loss of SNAP benefits, or a loss of healthcare tax subsidies that will see premiums skyrocket to unaffordable levels for millions.
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Democrats DO have the negotiating leverage right now considering Trump's approval is plummeting and more Americans blame Republicans than Democrats.
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However, this move has a slightly veiled one: It punts the issue to become a talking-point on healthcare right around midterms next year, which will be hugely beneficial to Democratic talking points.
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As a result, Democrats seize a win for the American people in both restoring SNAP benefits and ACA tax subsidies for a year more, while at the same time loading up political leverage for midterms next year.
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NOT TO MENTION: It solidifies the side who is trying to viably come to the table and to HELP the American people. Makes them look like the adults in the room.
Dare I say, great move.
Exactly. The only way they could fuck this up, is to cave. That would be the definition of snatching defeat from the jaws of victory.
Let's hope they don't...because honestly, I do not have a lot of faith in their ability to hold the line.
I've heard that some Dems are beginning to cave as Trump wants to destroy the filibuster.
I swear to jahh if the Dems do that... Fucking spineless, as ever
Yep. My tepid optimism and defense of Schumer lasted like a whole 24 hours...
I think the offer was fine, especially since it was rejected. Shows goodwill negotiation that independents say they like, doesn't cost anything
Forcing the Republicans to shoot this down only makes Republicans look worse.
Exactly. I bet this time next week cluck cluck chuck will cave.
When that doesn't happen, I bet you won't be admitting you were wrong.
Because you cant admit you’re wrong, I can’t?
I would be delighted to be wrong. And you’re fooling yourself if you think Schumer is up for a fight.
What was I wrong about?
No, you won't admit it. You'll continue to oppose Schumer at all times and in all circumstances even when he does the thing you say you want him to do.
Well for one thing, I do admit when I’m wrong.
You’re full of shit, so I assume it’s all projection.
Furthermore, this attempt at negotiating and compromise signals an intent to… you know… compromise…. With people that haven’t actually compromised in 20 years.
Which, if you have not been paying attention, is how we’ve come to be here.
Yeah, I have no reason to believe Schumer is going to do the right thing here, either.
You assume the Democrats expected the Republicans to actually accept this. I'm certain they didn't, but now they can truthfully say that they tried to compromise to reopen the government and the Republicans still turned them down. Politics is very much a game, and this was the right move to play.
First and foremost.
Let’s get one thing absolutely and crystal clear.
Politics is absolutely fucking not a fucking game and fuck you for callously saying it is.
40 million Americans are facing food insecurity because of this attitude.
24 million more will see their healthcare costs go up. Because of this attitude.
I could list a rather shocking amount of absolute and unmitigated shit that is happening right now, because of this attitude.
Making offers you know are nonstarters isn't negotiating. Especially offers that are largely unacceptable to your base. Fucking around with the lived and wellbeing of everyone here is not appropriate.
It was also unnecessary. Most of us realize that republicans are in control and that they could end the shut down with everything they wanted any time they want. (Also, could have stopped it from happening.)
Also, why would you trust a man that convinced the House to hold out, promising to vote against cloture the last time, only then to backstab everyone and vote for cloture?
There is no reason to; and he’s lost control of the democrat senators. As for last nights no-vote, I was somewhat relieved until certain of the other senators came out saying he approved it or whatever.
Not that I outright believe it, but it does suggest he knew they were turning rogue. Maybe one shouldn’t bullshit with things that won’t get accepted instead of shoring up the party unity.
(Maybe he should have endorsed Mamdani, too, for that matter.)
If they reopen the government, someone might find out what Trump did in the Epstein files.
Ha! Pull the other one, it's got bells on
Isn’t there someone running, who if wins, will vote against releasing the pedo files? I can’t recall his name, but perhaps that’s what the r’s are waiting for?
Someone won a seat in AZ awhile ago but Mike Johnson won’t seat them because they are the last signature needed to release the files.
Which is why Johnson wants to keep it shutdown
I’m talking about someone else. They haven’t won anything yet.
Oh I’m sorry. I just reread your comment and, yeah, I misread it completely.
Looks like TN has a special election coming up. That’s likely to be a R seat. No idea how that effects the Epstein Files, but you’re probably right and they’ll use that to weasel out of it.
Looking more like the Nazi germany enabling act everyday. I don’t think that the executive branch ever wants the government to reopen. A dictator doesn’t need congress
Fuck it if the dictators try anything there is basically no government with it shut down and all they have done so we can all just remove them collectively without listening to them. Fuck them.
The sentiment for the people is frustrated, annoyed, and angry. The coordination, logistics, and collaboration is getting to huge levels with more people getting active too. With each of us doing it makes it harder for them to do anything
Also without government open they can't really push much else to destroy things (I hope) so I kind of see it as a good thing even though it is very horrible that things people need are not being funded and given out
There’s still a lot of red hat cucks out there though
Lmao. Donny has a 40% approval rating my guy, I wouldn't put on my revolution hat in just yet.
It's simple, really. You can't get an economic downturn without human misery. And the big money people can't consolidate their holdings and acquire profitable companies at bargain basement prices if the economy is doing well. They don't want some messy financial crisis or pandemic creating unexpected problems. They want a predictable downturn that only affects the poors and a few unlucky upper middle class types. Then they can keep the funding they want and have a large and desperate labor pool to staff their newly acquired holdings. Win-win, at least for the people that matter.
You know. Not us
~~It's not that "both sides are the same". It's just that enough on all sides are bought and paid for that it doesn't matter if a few actually are trying to do good. Personally I don't see a reality where Schumer is not bought and paid for. And any efforts to circumvent the powers that be will be a nonstarter while the compromised ones hold power~~
Edit: While the last part is still something I believe, I posted this late at night and started rambling. It's not relevant to the OP and can be picked up in a more appropriate conversation another time
So Schumer trying to end the shutdown without sacrificing affordable healthcare is him being "bought and paid for" how exactly?
Oh. Yeah. I really shouldn't post late at night after drinking. Although I was surprisingly coherent despite my brain not fully working.
Schumer's efforts during the shutdown aren't really connected to the last paragraph. I was rambling and the two thoughts aren't connected. Philosophically I have strong doubts that anyone in his position wouldn't be swayed by special interest money, but that is a conversation for a different place. I'll edit my original post when I'm a little more awake
Release the Trump/Epstein files
Good. Because without even reading it I'll bet they tried to throw trans people under the bus again
Good. It was a cuck deal anyway.
KEEP IT SHUTDOWN, FOREVER
As someone not from the us. It's weird to look at...
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